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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap. 200 amp service with 220 means you have two lines of 110 @ 100amp each. that's it. Running a psu at 220v doesn't change the amount of power ran to your home. lol 2 hots, 1 neutral, 1 gnd
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage
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I'm wiring my house with 6 x 30-amp 240v circuits to handle my mining equipment. I'm more worried about cooling to be honest  Yes, I think the low end, efficient, window AC by Haier got bumped by $30-$50 after the summer. Went looking the other day. 30 amps at 240v is 7kW. Six of them would be 43kW. That's 40 btu per second - or 146,722 btu per hour. A 'low end' window AC isn't going to do much. You just need a lot of ventilation - replace hot air with air from outside, as long as it's less then 70C outside you'll be fine. well, I hope the Neptunes are 220 for your sake.... lol bold...doing that without knowing... It's not bold at all. Almost everything that runs off 110 will run off 220 or 240v with the correct PSU. He's smart, as 220-240v is more efficient and he will be able to handle more Neptunes. You obviously don't have a firm grip on household electricity yet. If the Neptunes are 220-240vac, he's okay. If they run at 115vac they'll draw twice the current each. If he has power into a room that via 12-3, it can be broken down into 115vac outlets some with L1 as hot and some as L2 as hot but the return on the 12-3 has a single neutral. If Neptunes are to be run at 115vac (unlikely but possible) he could put 2 in series in a McGiver sort of arrangement. That would keep the current down. Oh and one would not plan to run 12-3 or 10-3 to be split into 115vac outlets. And sorry Phoenix, I think two 115vac do not add up to 230vac. Although only 2 phases come into a home they are generated in 3 phases I think. They do not add up as 1 + 1 = 2.
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I?
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January 16, 2014, 08:21:40 PM |
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I? Pretty sure I don't need to say anymore...don't trust just anybody for electrical advice, especially on the internet. In fact, if you THINK you aren't SURE about something electrical, hire a contractor. Your wife will thank you when the insurance actually covers the fire rather than them blaming your own shoddy handiwork.
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January 16, 2014, 08:22:27 PM |
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage actual 3 phase in usa homes is rare... congratz you must live "In town" eh? They simply don't offer that here but 1400 amps? in a house? huh? never heard of it. each phase is typically 100a good luck
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January 16, 2014, 08:25:19 PM |
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage actual 3 phase in usa homes is rare... congratz you must live "In town" eh? They simply don't offer that here More ignorance. Talk to your power company and they can probably pull 3 phase to your house (if you have commercial area for it on your property, there is no reason to have 3 phase at a house unless your draw is at least 20,000 KWH per month in my opinion--at which point you aren't really "living in the house"). I live off a state route in the middle of nowhere and my power company was able to get me 3 phase (at this point, you can pretty much get as many amps as you want at the location).
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January 16, 2014, 08:26:17 PM |
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage actual 3 phase in usa homes is rare... congratz you must live "In town" eh? They simply don't offer that here More ignorance. Talk to your power company and they can probably pull 3 phase to your house (if you have commercial area for it on your property, there is no reason to have 3 phase at a house unless your draw is at least 20,000 KWH per month in my opinion. I live off a state route in the middle of nowhere and my power company was able to get me 3 phase. nope... 200a is max here, and I had to get a transformer installed to get it. its not ignorance btw... its fact, and we are supposed to be having a conversation...right? Why do people have to get nasty while conversing? ignorance? I think not. That's just how it is here.
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I? Pretty sure I don't need to say anymore...don't trust just anybody for electrical advice, especially on the internet. In fact, if you THINK you aren't SURE about something electrical, hire a contractor. Your wife will thank you when the insurance actually covers the fire rather than them blaming your own shoddy handiwork. Guess you brow beat your customers into paying lots and lots of money. Shoddy? What give any indication the work was shoddy? Lightening will fry anything.
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January 16, 2014, 08:29:46 PM |
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I? Pretty sure I don't need to say anymore...don't trust just anybody for electrical advice, especially on the internet. In fact, if you THINK you aren't SURE about something electrical, hire a contractor. Your wife will thank you when the insurance actually covers the fire rather than them blaming your own shoddy handiwork. Guess you brow beat your customers into paying lots and lots of money. Shoddy? What give any indication the work was shoddy? Me? I'm not an electrician, and all I was doing was cautioning others on taking advice from someone who has no idea what they are talking about on the internet--especially electrical work.
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January 16, 2014, 08:32:36 PM |
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I? Pretty sure I don't need to say anymore...don't trust just anybody for electrical advice, especially on the internet. In fact, if you THINK you aren't SURE about something electrical, hire a contractor. Your wife will thank you when the insurance actually covers the fire rather than them blaming your own shoddy handiwork. Guess you brow beat your customers into paying lots and lots of money. Shoddy? What give any indication the work was shoddy? Lightening will fry anything. Yeah... guess the electric company was wrong saying my install was okay huh... lol shoddy hahaha okay...I'm done rip me apart. lol fact is I don't care really, you can find your own way...call a contractor....his wire is better because it costs more, right? lol That lightning got dozens of homes around here
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January 16, 2014, 08:33:28 PM |
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage actual 3 phase in usa homes is rare... congratz you must live "In town" eh? They simply don't offer that here More ignorance. Talk to your power company and they can probably pull 3 phase to your house (if you have commercial area for it on your property, there is no reason to have 3 phase at a house unless your draw is at least 20,000 KWH per month in my opinion. I live off a state route in the middle of nowhere and my power company was able to get me 3 phase. nope... 200a is max here, and I had to get a transformer installed to get it. its not ignorance btw... its fact, and we are supposed to be having a conversation...right? Why do people have to get nasty while conversing? ignorance? I think not. That's just how it is here. You realize your first post to mine was full of the nastiness and showed you had no clue what you were talking about? I'm assuming you haven't even really talked to your power company, but that was me just being high and mighty. I find it hard to believe you're capped at 200amps, but it certainly could be the case.
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January 16, 2014, 08:35:17 PM |
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I? Pretty sure I don't need to say anymore...don't trust just anybody for electrical advice, especially on the internet. In fact, if you THINK you aren't SURE about something electrical, hire a contractor. Your wife will thank you when the insurance actually covers the fire rather than them blaming your own shoddy handiwork. Guess you brow beat your customers into paying lots and lots of money. Shoddy? What give any indication the work was shoddy? Lightening will fry anything. Yeah... guess the electric company was wrong saying my install was okay huh... lol shoddy hahaha okay...I'm done rip me apart. lol fact is I don't care really, you can find your own way...call a contractor....his wire is better because it costs more, right? lol That lightning got dozens of homes around here I wire the majority of my own buildings unless I don't have time, but someone who doesn't know simple facts about 3 phase, 240v, and 120v--I would not trust near my breaker box personally. I was simply telling others if you aren't SURE, hire someone that IS.
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January 16, 2014, 08:36:15 PM |
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage actual 3 phase in usa homes is rare... congratz you must live "In town" eh? They simply don't offer that here More ignorance. Talk to your power company and they can probably pull 3 phase to your house (if you have commercial area for it on your property, there is no reason to have 3 phase at a house unless your draw is at least 20,000 KWH per month in my opinion. I live off a state route in the middle of nowhere and my power company was able to get me 3 phase. nope... 200a is max here, and I had to get a transformer installed to get it. its not ignorance btw... its fact, and we are supposed to be having a conversation...right? Why do people have to get nasty while conversing? ignorance? I think not. That's just how it is here. You realize your first post to mine was full of the nastiness and showed you had no clue what you were talking about? I'm assuming you haven't even really talked to your power company, but that was me just being high and mighty. I find it hard to believe you're capped at 200amps, but it certainly could be the case. sure...I could get another, totally separate meter with another 200 amp 2-phase, that's it. There's no 3 phase here in FF, the nearest 3 phase is 25 miles away i never called you ignorant... and never meant to be nasty okay? just a discussion... take it easy .
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January 16, 2014, 08:37:59 PM |
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if you think you have actual 220 running into your home... guess what... lol you actually have two 110 lines which are combined to make the 220. The psu's mostly can handle either, yes, and 220 is more efficient in general... but what most don't realize is that your amp rating install is the limit. You get 100 or 200 amp service usually...just because you install 220v circuits, means nothing towards running more neptunes. But ok...I don't know what I'm talking about.... lol.. believe what you want. I have too many installs under my belt to buy that load of crap.
We have actual, 3 phase 240v service from our main panel here. ~1400A total capacity @ that voltage actual 3 phase in usa homes is rare... congratz you must live "In town" eh? They simply don't offer that here More ignorance. Talk to your power company and they can probably pull 3 phase to your house (if you have commercial area for it on your property, there is no reason to have 3 phase at a house unless your draw is at least 20,000 KWH per month in my opinion. I live off a state route in the middle of nowhere and my power company was able to get me 3 phase. nope... 200a is max here, and I had to get a transformer installed to get it. its not ignorance btw... its fact, and we are supposed to be having a conversation...right? Why do people have to get nasty while conversing? ignorance? I think not. That's just how it is here. You realize your first post to mine was full of the nastiness and showed you had no clue what you were talking about? I'm assuming you haven't even really talked to your power company, but that was me just being high and mighty. I find it hard to believe you're capped at 200amps, but it certainly could be the case. sure...I could get another, totally separate meter with another 200 amp 2-phase, that's it. i never called you ignorant... and never meant to be nasty okay? just a discussion... take it easy Yep--exactly, you can get more. 3 phase is on it's own meter (special), as are any additional runs to residential. So you simply don't *want* another 200 amp meter, not that you can't get more.
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January 16, 2014, 08:38:03 PM |
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hahahaha.. really? guess you don't know that two 110 lines make 220 in america.... don't have a grasp eh? You know I wired my house...right? the neighbors house... and a few others... all of which passed inspection by the county 1st time round. Not to mention the commercial installs. I frequently worked under a licenced Electrical contractor, and he will sign anything i do Just sayin
on another note... Good thing no miners here ATM... My new 200 amp service line took a direct lightning strike last night  It blew every breaker in the house, both live phases It exploded a 20 amp power strip, blew my desktop, microwave, and left a 3 inch long exploded hole in the new conduit. It struck on the portion of the line we had not been able to bury yet. The mains are literally in pieces. After calling the power company, they come and find that my transformer is also blown. They patched me into a local transformer down the street a bit, but only one phase is still working with a huge exposed/blackened hole in the conduit for now until I can fix this mess. oh boy. So far I was able to get a set of dual 100amp switches for the mains and a microwave oven (Gotta warm that coffee) to get going Installing all new 2-2-2 in conduit is gonna be fun I have no way of splicing the hit portion of the service line do I? Pretty sure I don't need to say anymore...don't trust just anybody for electrical advice, especially on the internet. In fact, if you THINK you aren't SURE about something electrical, hire a contractor. Your wife will thank you when the insurance actually covers the fire rather than them blaming your own shoddy handiwork. Guess you brow beat your customers into paying lots and lots of money. Shoddy? What give any indication the work was shoddy? Lightening will fry anything. Yeah... guess the electric company was wrong saying my install was okay huh... lol shoddy hahaha okay...I'm done rip me apart. lol fact is I don't care really, you can find your own way...call a contractor....his wire is better because it costs more, right? lol That lightning got dozens of homes around here I wire the majority of my own buildings unless I don't have time, but someone who doesn't know simple facts about 3 phase, 240v, and 120v--I would not trust near my breaker box personally. I was simply telling others if you aren't SURE, hire someone that IS. Reminds me of electronic proto lab engineers who went to do a show in Chicago where the unions wouldn't let extension cords be used. The engineers came back with the lowest opinions of those electricians - talked about it for years.
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January 16, 2014, 08:43:22 PM |
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can lighting hit this thread someday? Strike X Heremight bring it back from the dead...
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January 16, 2014, 08:44:55 PM |
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can lighting hit this thread someday? Strike X Heremight bring it back from the dead... Hehehe... surely I'm indeed a bit frustrated... I'm still tossing equipment into the truck for the dump-run, and I really don't think 3-phase would have made any difference if it were possible. It blew 90% of what i have...through mains, subpanel breakers, breaker-ed power strips, and psu's so far, 6 grand in damage, still counting. Thank the powers that be... all data is okay... I have 6tb of video that has taken 10 yrs to collect
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January 16, 2014, 08:48:37 PM |
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can lighting hit this thread someday? Strike X Heremight bring it back from the dead... Hehehe... surely I'm indeed a bit frustrated... I'm still tossing equipment into the truck for the dump-run, and I really don't think 3-phase would have made any difference if it were possible. It blew 90% of what i have...through mains, subpanel breakers, breaker-ed power strips, and psu's so far, 6 grand in damage, still counting 3 phase would not have changed a thing in your situation, but a whole house lightning suppression system (they're inexpensive to some extent) would have. I install them standard on anything I do.
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January 16, 2014, 08:51:47 PM |
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Well, the lightning rods were untouched by the lightning... I think I know what attracted it to the service line .... The radio fence wire crosses the service line right where it struck... or at least it used to... it vaporized... for several meters.. and yes... I left it on during the storm...oops.. and before you say it... ill admit to ignorance on that one. 5 Neptunes here at that moment would have been the demise of this project. whew. lucky
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