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Author Topic: BFL board project COINTAMINATION - EU facility - ORDERS OPENED for Chili  (Read 73156 times)
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January 08, 2014, 07:31:30 AM
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Hi, assembled one more board with same results at cold resets near by 1.0V and below. Hair dressers warmup after initialization helps here, too.

But if I must cycle the power supply now it's hard to bring all them online again, because first they must be cool down before the reset ends (looks like), then the FETs are to cold so I must hot air blowing again one by one before they will mine constantly. Sad

In the evening I will assemble my last one.

For your information, I use thermal tapes FujiPoly with 17 W/mK which I've imported from Canada.
My heatsinks are ~26 € Zalman CNPS10X Performa which comes with all what you need also looks like a back ring as opposides pcbs force pressure stamp. http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/zalman-cnps10x-performa-a501029.html
There is an existing Optima with only 8 heatpipes but it looks like them is good enough (~24 €), too. http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/zalman-cnps10x-optima-a684647.html

Also I use on a few miners much more cheaper Ranijitek Aidos heatsink 8 pipe 9cm fans  (~17 €) with a floppy back plate. So I added an 3mm 40x40 copper plate isolated with thermal tape between the pcb and the backplate. http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/raijintek-aidos-a979291.html?t=alle&plz=&va=b&vl=de&v=l#filterform

I will send fotos of examples from my assembles later.
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January 08, 2014, 02:09:58 PM
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I have just assembled my 7th Chili

On power up, the leds 5,6,7,8, come on and stay on, then leds 1,2,3,4, flash once.
The com port is not found. nothing else happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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January 08, 2014, 04:48:23 PM
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I have just assembled my 7th Chili

On power up, the leds 5,6,7,8, come on and stay on, then leds 1,2,3,4, flash once.
The com port is not found. nothing else happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

You probably restart it more then once right? But this is first time I see that error... If it would not be programed it would not turn on any leds. So I didn't miss it for sure but I have no idea what is this error code... MrTeal will have to tell that...
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January 08, 2014, 05:41:53 PM
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one of my boards which has been runned since last day now after power cycle whole the time LED7 is blinking. I understood its overtemp failure of FETs?
It's hard to mine stable if the FETs must cool down because after power switch I must preheat again the board before it will run again. So the chips must be preheat again before the board will not further reset.
I will cool down now the board to see more tomorrow.
Blinking has been stopped. After a few tries I used again warmup procedure by a hair dryer to bring it online.

Cheers...
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January 08, 2014, 08:21:21 PM
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I have just assembled my 7th Chili

On power up, the leds 5,6,7,8, come on and stay on, then leds 1,2,3,4, flash once.
The com port is not found. nothing else happens.

Does anyone have any ideas?

You probably restart it more then once right? But this is first time I see that error... If it would not be programed it would not turn on any leds. So I didn't miss it for sure but I have no idea what is this error code... MrTeal will have to tell that...

MrTeal responded here:-

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=304250.msg4392198#msg4392198

Is this one I can return to you at some time?

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January 09, 2014, 06:09:52 AM
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MrTeal responded here:-

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=304250.msg4392198#msg4392198

Is this one I can return to you at some time?
Yes will look at it...
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January 09, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
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MrTeal responded here:-

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=304250.msg4392198#msg4392198

Is this one I can return to you at some time?
Yes will look at it...

Thanks Lucko

I will finish the others first.
Mr teal has asked me for some more information, maybe he will find an answer to the low volt reset, so I will wait till a little longer.

Any news on my other sick Chili?

Mudbankkeith

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January 09, 2014, 11:00:30 AM
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MrTeal responded here:-

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=304250.msg4392198#msg4392198

Is this one I can return to you at some time?
Yes will look at it...

Thanks Lucko

I will finish the others first.
Mr teal has asked me for some more information, maybe he will find an answer to the low volt reset, so I will wait till a little longer.

Any news on my other sick Chili?

Mudbankkeith
We were cut from the world for 3 days now. Some flooding and a landslide so one road blocked by water and another by earth... Today is the first day I can get out...

BTW. Can you look at voltage at that board. I don't think it is 1V problem as MrTeal suggested. 1V is ASIC only but 3,3 is for COM port... But look at 5V too. You have that on top of the board. 5v, 3,3v and ground...
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January 09, 2014, 11:07:33 AM
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MrTeal responded here:-

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=304250.msg4392198#msg4392198

Is this one I can return to you at some time?
Yes will look at it...

Thanks Lucko

I will finish the others first.
Mr teal has asked me for some more information, maybe he will find an answer to the low volt reset, so I will wait till a little longer.

Any news on my other sick Chili?

Mudbankkeith
We were cut from the world for 3 days now. Some flooding and a landslide so one road blocked by water and another by earth... Today is the first day I can get out...

BTW. Can you look at voltage at that board. I don't think it is 1V problem as MrTeal suggested. 1V is ASIC only but 3,3 is for COM port... But look at 5V too. You have that on top of the board. 5v, 3,3v and ground...

So the wet weather problem is in your area as well!    ..........   Not Good  Angry

I'm not sure where to look for the voltage check.
Please can you hold my hand for this?

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January 09, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
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January 09, 2014, 01:11:58 PM
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So these are sold out?
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January 09, 2014, 01:45:29 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
I was hoping they were the test points.

Not too keen to stick test probes in the wrong places.

Thanks for the info, I will post back soon.

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January 09, 2014, 02:22:35 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
I was hoping they were the test points.

Not too keen to stick test probes in the wrong places.

Thanks for the info, I will post back soon.

Hi Lucko
Test voltages:-

3.3v is showing   3.29v

5v is only showing 0.18v

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January 09, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
I was hoping they were the test points.

Not too keen to stick test probes in the wrong places.

Thanks for the info, I will post back soon.

Hi Lucko
Test voltages:-

3.3v is showing   3.29v

5v is only showing 0.18v
With the board powered off, can you measure the resistance between
1. 5V and ground
2. 5V and 1V (you can use the pad for C29 or C30 closest to the ASICs
3. 1V and ground.
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January 09, 2014, 07:26:13 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
I was hoping they were the test points.

Not too keen to stick test probes in the wrong places.

Thanks for the info, I will post back soon.

Hi Lucko
Test voltages:-

3.3v is showing   3.29v

5v is only showing 0.18v
With the board powered off, can you measure the resistance between
1. 5V and ground
2. 5V and 1V (you can use the pad for C29 or C30 closest to the ASICs
3. 1V and ground.

5v to ground = 0.5 ohms
5v to 1v       = 16 ohms
1v to ground = 85 ohms


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January 09, 2014, 07:29:01 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
I was hoping they were the test points.

Not too keen to stick test probes in the wrong places.

Thanks for the info, I will post back soon.

Hi Lucko
Test voltages:-

3.3v is showing   3.29v

5v is only showing 0.18v
With the board powered off, can you measure the resistance between
1. 5V and ground
2. 5V and 1V (you can use the pad for C29 or C30 closest to the ASICs
3. 1V and ground.

5v to ground = 0.5 ohms
5v to 1v       = 16 ohms
1v to ground = 85 ohms
Should the 1V to ground measurement be 8.5 ohms?
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January 09, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
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OK turn your board so you have "pci slot" at the bottom. At the top you have 2 hols. There are some golden plates in the middle. Left to right. First one is 5V, next one is 3,3V and then GND... Look at voltage at 5V to GND and 3,3 to GND...
I was hoping they were the test points.

Not too keen to stick test probes in the wrong places.

Thanks for the info, I will post back soon.

Hi Lucko
Test voltages:-

3.3v is showing   3.29v

5v is only showing 0.18v
With the board powered off, can you measure the resistance between
1. 5V and ground
2. 5V and 1V (you can use the pad for C29 or C30 closest to the ASICs
3. 1V and ground.

5v to ground = 0.5 ohms
5v to 1v       = 16 ohms
1v to ground = 85 ohms
Should the 1V to ground measurement be 8.5 ohms?
now I get      1v to ground = 16 ohms

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January 09, 2014, 09:46:28 PM
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The hairdryer trick works wonders, for the low power crash.

as soon as the board completes initialization and starts to count, I switched the hairdryer from cold blow, to hot blow.  Tongue
 The fets temp. went up to 46c and NO CRASH  Smiley

Now its hashing the fets temp is steady 43c to 44c  Cool

I just need to test out how this will work with 8 Chili on a rPi and hope it stays stable.  Roll Eyes


My thanks to the brave man who tried it the first time with a soldering blower.

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The hairdryer trick works wonders, for the low power crash.

as soon as the board completes initialization and starts to count, I switched the hairdryer from cold blow, to hot blow.  Tongue
 The fets temp. went up to 46c and NO CRASH  Smiley

Now its hashing the fets temp is steady 43c to 44c  Cool

I just need to test out how this will work with 8 Chili on a rPi and hope it stays stable.  Roll Eyes


My thanks to the brave man who tried it the first time with a soldering blower.

I confirm that, yesterday and today I got finally all my sent boards working at some point with hairdryer trick: need some effort to start hashing but now I have a method to overcome reset problems until final solution is found. Many thank asjfdlksfd to share this with us.

My last mission now is investigates one board stop hashing after some hours: but for me is a minor annoyance...

Lucko/MrTeal: If board pre heating seems so reliable to solve this reset is possible simulate this behavior on firmware?
I wonder if after all everything is OK with board and main reason of problems are only some of Lucko's BFL chip batch are slightly out of specs. This happened on cointado board so is not completilly out of question.

My last restart ( even knowing 1 board will became "sick" during this night i am happy for first time
 since entered on this project ) Grin Grin Grin:

bfgminer version 3.9.0 - Started: [2014-01-09 21:43:00] - [  0 days 00:22:39]
[M]anage devices [P]ool management Settings [D]isplay options  [H]elp [Q]uit
Connected to eu-stratum-*****.btcguild.com diff 64 with stratum as user ****
Block: ...4e2576ff #279578  Diff:1.42G (10.15Ph/s)  Started: [22:05:30]
ST:14  F:0  NB:7  AS:1  BW:[ 65/ 55 B/s]  E:511.17  I: 1.92mBTC/hr  BS:293k
4      69.0C | 146.9/135.5/128.1Gh/s | A:641 R:2+6(.34%) HW:2911/6.2%
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BFL 0: 69.0C | 35.61/29.63/28.57Gh/s | A:128 R:0+0(none) HW: 681/4.6%
BFL 1: 69.0C | 36.24/34.98/33.74Gh/s | A:175 R:2+0(1.1%) HW: 443/3.9%
BFL 2: 60.0C | 36.94/35.67/33.86Gh/s | A:170 R:0+0(none) HW: 611/5.4%
BFL 3: 69.0C | 34.78/35.25/31.94Gh/s | A:169 R:0+6(.11%) HW:1179/ 10%
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[2014-01-09 22:05:25] Accepted 018093b1 BFL 1  pool 0 Diff 170/64
[2014-01-09 22:05:25] Accepted 02310d9c BFL 0  pool 0 Diff 116/64
[2014-01-09 22:05:26] Accepted 0026ec8f BFL 0  pool 0 Diff 1.68k/64
[2014-01-09 22:05:26] Accepted 039f0d4f BFL 3  pool 0 Diff 70/64
[2014-01-09 22:05:27] Accepted 0187d6f1 BFL 0  pool 0 Diff 167/64
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January 10, 2014, 04:58:26 AM
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I'm messing around with the firmware on one of my (known good) boards. The quick hack I'm doing now just runs the self-test on startup for a couple minutes. If there is an issue with the PCB where there is interference at low temperatures, it might be difficult to correct with firmware. My board has a heatsink on the bottom side, but what I’m seeing is the board doesn’t actually get that hot in the self test at 0.85V. I’m finding it’s only drawing 51A and getting to about 25C in a 21C room. If I raise the voltage to 1V I get 85A draw and it stabilizes at 32C or so, which still isn’t really that warm. It’s not until I get up to 1.1V or so that I start pulling ~120A and the temperatures get up to 50C or so.
Basically, I think people are likely getting the boards a lot hotter with a hair dryer than I will be able to by running the board, if I have to run it at less than 1V to keep it stable. I'll give it a shot on my bad board tomorrow.
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