Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[Unacceptable]

RETURN   OUR   MONEY!!!

[jimmothy]

Return Our Money!

They're not gonna!

So you might as well stop. Pretty please? You're really detracting from the utility of this thread.

+1

Not sure what you're expecting to achieve from spamming.

[tigerfree]

Return Our Money!

[Biffa]

Please stop quoting him it just makes it worse for those of us who have him on ignore.

[tarmi]

man, you can kiss your money goodbye.

why spamming? frustrated much?

[Rabinovitch]

PLEASE all of you forget about your money.

It's easyer if you believe in God...

[RoadStress]

So you might as well stop. Pretty please? You're really detracting from the utility of this thread.[/center]

+1

Not sure what you're expecting to achieve from spamming.

I got my refund from KnC after spamming their e-mails/ticket system so while the forum might not help maybe he should try on other channels.

[Malharhak]

What about taking legal action?

I don't know much about it, but maybe there is a way to associate with each other to launch a legal action asking for our refund? I am not american but if anyone is from the same state or at least the continent, I suppose this is doable?

If anyone is interested by that we could put in place a private website/forum/whatever to organize that.

[zurg]

Oh wow,

Goodbye BFL:

http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-shuts-embattled-mining-firm-butterfly-labs/

[ElGrandJefe]

Oh wow,

Goodbye BFL:

http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-shuts-embattled-mining-firm-butterfly-labs/

Let's hope BA's next.

[Syke]

"Defendants either never delivered these machines or delivered them so late that they became obsolete."

Sounds like BA/Minersource, right?

[musicmaker613]

"Defendants either never delivered these machines or delivered them so late that they became obsolete."

Sounds like BA/Minersource, right?

It does indeed sound like BA/Minersource.  This is proof that their bullshit pre-order "Terms and Conditions" won't fly with the FTC, nor the courts.  Maybe if they were a couple of months late, they would get away with it.  But just like BFL, they are grossly late, the products don't meet specifications, they misled costumers about development capabilities and timelines, and (hold on to your ass, cause even BFL wasn't this bad) they sold potentially dangerous electronics in the US.

Groups like the FTC and SEC have a hawk's eye on anything related to cryptocurrency right now, especially anything that even smells like a scam.  This on top of the usual watchful eye they have out for consumer protection issues.  

I realize BA is somewhat "safe" as they are not a U.S. based company.  But Minersource... that's another story.  It doesn't matter if you're "just a reseller."  That argument won't last long with the FTC.  If I were you, Minersource (Bobsag, Thomas) I would start fighting BA on behalf of your costumers instead of fighting with your costumers.  Get our money back.  Or pay us out of pocket... it might be cheaper for you in the end.

[musicmaker613]

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/Information#crnt&panel1-1

It's very easy.  Just provide as much information as you can and try to be factual and to the point.  Use accurate dates, amounts, addresses etc.  According to the Coindesk article, BFL was investigated after only 300 complaints to the FTC.  I'm sure it would take a lot less at this point to get action.

[Und3rd0g]

Return Our Money!

There is always another dick in the crowd that cannot hold back on the nonsense.  You are fucked dude.  Deal with it!

[Und3rd0g]

Return Our Money!

Make that another dick comment pointing out the obvious.  Geez!    I thing BA has gotten your point.

[mahowi]

I wish I could sell my X1. But it hashes only at 60% of it's specification and if I send my hashboard for RMA to BA I should pay the shipping costs. So I have the choice to run it at 60 GH/s although I purchased a 100 GH/s miner or to throw away even more money to get a miner running as specified, maybe...

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1433-x1-underperforming-at-60-70-ghs/

[dgincr]

Blackarrow is a fucking scam, they stole $12,000 from me and i fucking reported them to all the authorities possible. Everyone that made orders got fucking scammed! No one is getting refunds and they are ignoring every request!

Stay the fuck away from this company they are fake and only take your money and stall you until you give up!

[NecroBones]

So, I took a huge break from the forum, the mining scene in general, and so on, to wait for my X-1 units to arrive. I'm actually amazed to hear that a few people might have received hardware? Is this true?

Now that the hardware is probably well past being useful, just wondering when (if) it might ever appear.

[eXOBeX]

So, I took a huge break from the forum, the mining scene in general, and so on, to wait for my X-1 units to arrive. I'm actually amazed to hear that a few people might have received hardware? Is this true?

Now that the hardware is probably well past being useful, just wondering when (if) it might ever appear.

Some have arrived. My X1 was ordered from BA in mid-November and finally arrived last month. First thing I did with mine is power up to test, then tear it (and its power supply) apart for YouTube. Currently running at 1100 (freaks out at 1200 and steps back to 1100 automatically) and drawing 119 watts at the wall.

At the moment (current difficulty x current electricity cost x current Bitcoin value) it's making money. Nowhere near break-even once you factor in the purchase price but at least it's mining more than it's using. Difficulty goes up? Not worth mining unless Bitcoin value goes up (or keep mining anyway in case value of mined coins subsequently goes up).

[Bogart]

I just wanted to say that bobsag3 of minersource tried to help me.

Despite me not even being a customer of his (I ordered directly from BA), he was kind enough to send me a replacement power supply for my X3 when mine failed.

I say tried because the replacement power supply lasted about a week before it too failed in exactly the same manner as the first.  That was a couple days before BA announced the X3 power supply recall.

So...yeah, thanks.  I certainly appreciate the effort.

(I'm now afraid to switch off my still-working X3 unit.  It seems to be when it's powered-off that the failure occurs.)