Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[btcminer84]

I purchased an X3 in November 2013

and still waiting to get the machines.

Will I receive 3000 GH/s (3 * 1TH/s units)

in May 2014 without add more money?

What is going on right now?

[scryptographer]

Even with the "free" X1 miner on next purchase, it hardly seems worth it (at least for me)

$269 for one X1 => 0.372 GHs/$

Cost to receive 50% compensation:
$373 for one X1
$0 for one X1 w/o PSU
$60 for PSU
$433 total

Total cost of 3 X1: $702 => 0.427 GHs/$

Bringing the actual compensation to 15%, not 50%. And this is assuming I can purchase the single X1 directly from BA, otherwise I would have to deal with 2 suppliers and get BA to transfer the compensation plan to a reseller.

The addage "Don't throw good money after bad" still holds true

[Pistachio]

I purchased an X3 in November 2013

and still waiting to get the machines.

Will I receive 3000 GH/s (3 * 1TH/s units)

in May 2014 without add more money?

What is going on right now?

Looks like this is the case. However, it is not at all clear the extra 1TH will arrive at the same time. It may very well arrive at the end of Batch 2 a month later. You will need to provide a PSU for the third unit or buy one of theirs. I am hoping to hook a standard PSU for the third unit.

[rokshis]

I am really scared now, guys. I have asked for refund from minersource.net for my Prospero X-3, like... 2 months ago. The wire transfer takes 3 days, right? How is it I still have not received my refund? They have promised like 3 or 4 times that they will send the refund and after that, always some problems occurs. THEY SMELL LIKE A BIG SCAM I can say... Look 2 days ago, I wrote to [email protected] from my another email (because i think they are ignoring me on my original account email), and asked for refund, like for 4th time. Thats what answer I got: http://puu.sh/8tpU7/ac75a4c842.png . As you see, he told me this on 28th of April. Today is 30th of April. I have not received a single letter neither from Matt ([email protected]), neither from Wells Fargo bank. I am really angry now. If I will not hear any news about my refund soon, I will sue them, I promise. Because this is getting not funny guys.

By the way, does anybody else have any news from Matt about refunds? Because I guess he will ignore this post...

P.S This was the 2nd or 3rd time when he promised me to send the refund. Look: http://puu.sh/8tqcV/d84358a0e0.png . I guess you can see the date - April 9th.

[btcminer84]

rokshis: Seems, it is the same scam way like technobit.eu do it. Waiting, waiting, waiting... And nothing happens.

[rokshis]

Guys, if I were you, I would not trust minersource at all for now. All they do is just trying to get more time.

[rokshis]

Oh and, I guess I know why he isnt responsing me, I guess he is waiting for May 1. Then he will have a new excuse - he will fly to china, to visit the blackarrow and will keep ignoring everybody, who will ask anything about refunds. It was same with Israel. And I am sorry to say, if this all sounds as a rage or something, but actoully.. it is a rage, because it is funny when you have been asking for refund for 2 months and he just keep excusing.

[CoolIT]

Time for me to get a little bit of hate by my fellow members 

I actually like the compensation plan, I find it way better then 25% hosted power for 6 months.

And I certainly understand the frustration of people who only got 1 X1 because I would also be pissed off, and I also wouldn't want to pay more to get more.
But this is something you have to take care of with your re-seller.

For BA, it's logical and works fine, considering they only sold batch1 unites in bulks of 10. (Correct me if I am wrong)

I am not saying BA is perfect, far from it in fact. There is much they could have done better, however buying those devices as a pre-order, I expected this to happen.
The only thing that would make me unhappy, would be to have to wait another 3+ months. I can deal with a little more wait.

For the silence, I take it they don't want to give bad news untill they get all their cards right and give a final accurate update.

The one thing many companies should start doing is "Under Promise, Over Deliver"
Give an extra month delay, ship 2 weeks early... everyone would be thrilled.


I don't feel BFLed so far... and speaking of which, I just want our toys to be in our hands before these f***s ship their Monarch...
Just principle of entertainment for me after following their hate thread on the original ASIC's.

[scryptographer]

[..]

For BA, it's logical and works fine, considering they only sold batch1 unites in bulks of 10. (Correct me if I am wrong)
[..]

Consider yourself corrected. Prior to 29 Nov BA sold single X1s.

[ChuckBuck]

Time for me to get a little bit of hate by my fellow members  

I actually like the compensation plan, I find it way better then 25% hosted power for 6 months.

And I certainly understand the frustration of people who only got 1 X1 because I would also be pissed off, and I also wouldn't want to pay more to get more.
But this is something you have to take care of with your re-seller.

For BA, it's logical and works fine, considering they only sold batch1 unites in bulks of 10. (Correct me if I am wrong)

I am not saying BA is perfect, far from it in fact. There is much they could have done better, however buying those devices as a pre-order, I expected this to happen.
The only thing that would make me unhappy, would be to have to wait another 3+ months. I can deal with a little more wait.

For the silence, I take it they don't want to give bad news untill they get all their cards right and give a final accurate update.

The one thing many companies should start doing is "Under Promise, Over Deliver"
Give an extra month delay, ship 2 weeks early... everyone would be thrilled.


I don't feel BFLed so far... and speaking of which, I just want our toys to be in our hands before these f***s ship their Monarch...
Just principle of entertainment for me after following their hate thread on the original ASIC's.

Pretty sure you could buy 1 X-1 on the Black Arrow store early on in Batch 1, before they changed it minimum of 10 towards the end of the first batch.

Anytime you're compared to BFL, is not a good thing, no matter what the compensation is.

[Dot99lr]

minersource.net has the BA PSUs for sale on the site

[mazedk]

Are there going to be any ways of powering the X1's off a normal ATX psu? - Trying to figure out if i can run my 3x X1's aswell as my 10x gridseeds off the same unit.

[Mein Coin LLC]

Need to know the exact specs of these power supplies going into the X-3 also need the exact specs required to overclock each case of the X-3's.  Please respond with detail.  These details should have been posted ages ago.  How are we suppose to prepare with this lack of info.

[y_boonstra]

Need to know the exact specs of these power supplies going into the X-3 also need the exact specs required to overclock each case of the X-3's.  Please respond with detail.  These details should have been posted ages ago.  How are we suppose to prepare with this lack of info.

these details have been posted here on this forum.

[Dot99lr]

 The specs are on ecointalk, he must've been confused as to which forum they were posted on:

http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-black-arrow-weekly-production-update/page-21


From Blackarrow on ecointalk:

"Internal PSUs, they provide 12v (X3: 120A, X1: 12A) and 5volts (5A). They use custom connectors which we can provide as well."


I'm not sure about overclocking.

[Mein Coin LLC]

Thank you! I lost where they were posted.  For the overclock I have no idea what would be necessary along with if the custom connectors will handle the Watts necessary to have the unit at say 20% overclock.  Any one have info as to either?

[SunnyIgor]

Well S1 is down to .55 Btc (220 usd) now, and since BA still hasn't shipped their promise to match should be valid and just go ahead and give us double our hash power and make everything simple (even if they leave out PSU). Since they promised to price match with Ghash, 180gh for 220$ is alot better deal than the 100ghash that we paid 340$ for.

+1

[LennonNZ]

Well S1 is down to .55 Btc (220 usd) now, and since BA still hasn't shipped their promise to match should be valid and just go ahead and give us double our hash power and make everything simple (even if they leave out PSU). Since they promised to price match with Ghash, 180gh for 220$ is alot better deal than the 100ghash that we paid 340$ for.

That is a good point. I haven't found (personally) a S1 down to 220USD but more like around $270  USD (which I paid for the X1 last year)

If I can now buy 2 * the Ghash Rate compared to the X-1 (100 GH compared to 200GH) their promise should come in affect and I think people should  be given 2* the Hash Rate now for X1's. (Or double their order of X1's not 1.5 times)

"Black Arrow promises to do its best to offer lower retail price than its competitors and guarantees that in the eventuality of a price decrease before shipment, all preorders will benefit of a proportional increase in hashing power."

Also they said:

"We are currently offering 35% discount to customers who pay their order in full and 20% discount to customers who wish to pay 50% in advance and 50% before shipment. After October 2013 we will reduce the discounts gradually until they reach their full retail price which is $415 for Prospero X1 (100Ghash) and $6999 for Prospero X3 (2000Ghash)."

I don't believe the price has ever gone to $415 (I have looked at the website for a long time) but started with a 35% discount and now is a 10% discount. Offering something saying there is a discount, there has to be a price point where it was actually was $415 for a reasonable amount of time before discounts are made - or the price rises to the RRP price after a reasonable amount of time (like they said).

If the List Price  was stated at the start of $373 and they gave say for 3 months they gave a 30% discount then there would be no problem but artificially offering it at $415 saying there was a 35% discount is (IMHO) false advertising.

Has _Anyone_ bought one at the List Price of $415 or seen it actually on their website at $415?

But this is all just my opinion.

[ChuckBuck]

Well S1 is down to .55 Btc (220 usd) now, and since BA still hasn't shipped their promise to match should be valid and just go ahead and give us double our hash power and make everything simple (even if they leave out PSU). Since they promised to price match with Ghash, 180gh for 220$ is alot better deal than the 100ghash that we paid 340$ for.

But But it's only 110 Watts!   

I'm telling ya Black Arrow...you could've made a killing in this market if you shipped in February instead of 3 and half months later.

Like the saying goes, "that ship has sailed".   

[Pistachio]

Where is the $40 for the X1 PSU coming from? I noticed a 'power' section added to their website but it is currently empty. I hope we are given a chance to purchase the necessary PSUs before they ship units without PSUs. Although, I am not looking forward to another $45 fee for a bank transfer. Anyone sell compatible PSUs for the X1 / X3 and accepts VISA/PP/AMAZON/DWOLLA?