[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[smooth]

and it's been officially explained and accepted by the community / market a long time ago: https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

It is addressed on the above linked click-through thread how and why that explanation is incomplete and misleading and further contributes to the ongoing problem.

I notice you are not disclosing to people that you are on the core team

You did not read the disclosure statement very carefully.

But as you say there is no need to go back and forth on that.

[Lebubar]

Lol.
I think he didn't finish his puberty, fucking teens playing around.
You are not tired of your unprofesionalism, and lack of ethic?

Don't quote the Trolleros please!

[toknormal]

Sad to see you are back on the Dash thread again FUD'ing the same old rubbish whilst neglecting your own coins.

He's not fudding. XMR did follow its initial published emission curve and Dash didn't.

[iCEBREAKER]

I won't be intimidated or threatened from calling out Dash's scamming or bullshit, nor that of any other coin, project or individual. You are wasting your time with this obviously retaliatory effort. In fact your efforts to silence me will just redouble my resolve to not be silenced by you or your favorite instamined scamcoin, Dash. Enjoy.

That goes double for me.  Let's hope BigMouthCanada and I can still be friends.

The way Evan Scamfield manipulated the airdrop (or was it relaunch?) vote puts the instamine in the worst possible light.

The fact he actively manipulated the price on behalf of early whales isn't going to sit well with the regulators and authorities.

[qwizzie]

To all the newbees in here let me just introduce you guys (and girls) to our three long-overdue residing house pet trolls (and our strong upcoming 4th troll) who have but one single purpose
which is to derail this thread and/or discredit Dash by any means necessary even if that means blattently lying and spreading misinformation about Dash and its community :

AdamWhite  
TheDasher
iCEBREAKER
smooth

This community is however not powerless to these individuals, we have a weapon available and i urge everyone to start using it, it is called the ignore button and it
will have the following powerfull effect :




and trust me, that can hit harder on trolls then one can imagine ...
 

[AdamWhite]

How to launch a shitcoin scam in just 4 easy steps!


Step 1. Mislead as many people as possible about the launch time. Like so:

Ok now it insta crashes when I type "setgenerate true".

Time to go to bed and try again next week?

Yeah, let's do that. I obviously need to do some more testing. Thanks everyone!

Best thing to do I guess. Please, confirm you won't be launching after some minutes/hours even if you fix it, and the sooner would be tomorrow, thanks.

Definitely not. I'll also follow up with this post when I do set a time.

"Definitely not."  We all know he went on to launch it a couple of hours later. Bravo Evan, you're a class act. The pinnacle of integrity and professionalism.


Step 2. INSTAMINE! INSTAMINE! INSTAMINE!




Ignore questions about the huge instamine for as long as possible. Deny it ever happened. Viciously attack anyone who posts irrefutable proof of the massive instamine scam. Try to discredit them. Call them trolls and put their names on "troll lists."

Note: Bonus points if you advertise "No premine" in your ANN title like Evan has done here (despite the massive 1.5 million instamine in the first 8 hours of launch).  Did i mention the integrity and professionalism?


Step 3. Lower the total supply and cut the mining rewards drastically once you're done instamining. This is a no-brainer!

-Lower the supply of coins that can ever exist from 80 million to 20 million.
-Cut the mining reward from 500 coins per block to 5 coins per block.

No one will notice. If they do, we'll just call them trolls, try to discredit them and put them on "troll lists" (see Step 2)


Step 4. If people start catching on to the scam, no problem. Change your name! Then change it again!

[iCEBREAKER]

XMR did follow its initial published emission curve and Dash didn't.

Thank you for your honesty.

Please note Dash didn't follow its announced release schedule either, ninja-launching late in the night after saying they'd wait.

[toknormal]

In cryptocurrencies, adherence to published emission rates is not something which qualifies an electronic token as 'money'.

Miners complain if a crypto doesn't follow the emission rate but in the case of Dash, a couple of them only started doing so when Dash began acquiring value and that was for reasons of genuine monetary quality, nothing to do with 'emission rates'.

Gold did not follow any particular emission rate either, but it still acquired value. People just wanted to get their hands on it no matter how much anyone else had and that qualified it as 'money'.

It's important for a cryptocurrency to follow a published emission rate so that coin supply is predictable and Dash is doing that, the same as most other crypto's. The fact that it didn't do it in the first few hours is already priced into the market (by virtue of that event having occurred a year and a half ago).

Markets therefore determine what has value and 'emission rates' do not.

A true "sh*tcoin" is not one which deviates from its published emmision rate, rather it's one which claims to be 'money' and isn't according to all historical precedent.

Dash has prioritised its development effort to optimise the monetary properties of an electronic token. i.e. to create a monetary medium which is optimal by historical standards but which functions on an electronic platform without a counterparty.

Thats why it has value.

 

[illodin]

The following message was drafted by generalizethis and submitted for open review and modification by Dash community member blockafett/blobafett2, or others, who did not offer any proposal for changes, and is therefore is considered a collaboratively-constructed fair disclosure statement.

public service announcement

Dash (formerly xcoin and darkcoin) had a significant fastmine over the first 48 hours of its existence (~2 million coins). These facts should not be glossed over by those seeking a fairly launched coin, so until the dash media reflects these facts, this warning will be posted every 24 hours on the BCT dash thread. This warning will not be posted when the media reflects these facts. For those seeking more information Monero Developer Smooth has created a thread with the pertinent facts: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=999886.0

Why is that a "warning"? Inflation being lower now compared to a situation where there was fast mining now or in the future instead of in the beginning would be far worse for a potential buyer and indeed deserve a warning as his purchase would lose value very fast. Add to that the fact that half of the new supply is awarded to masternodes who are holders of the coin instead of the miners who often autosell the coin they happen to mine at any given time for electricity.

It's understandable some other coin holders who are currently suffering from devastating inflation and no funds for development holding back their investments can feel animosity towards those who have made a different choice.

[illodin]

The fact he actively manipulated the price on behalf of early whales isn't going to sit well with the regulators and authorities.

If someone changes a variable or formula in a code, it's up to the people to start using it (or any other change) or not. That's what consensus is. Regulators and authorities (lol) can sit with that fact all they want.

[iCEBREAKER]

Dash Price at Continued Risk of Weakness

http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/13/dash-price-at-continued-risk-of-weakness/

There is no hope for buyers as of writing, as the hourly RSI and MACD are in the negative zone highlighting weakness

[minersday]

The fact he actively manipulated the price on behalf of early whales isn't going to sit well with the regulators and authorities.

If someone changes a variable or formula in a code, it's up to the people to start using it (or any other change) or not. That's what consensus is. Regulators and authorities (lol) can sit with that fact all they want.

If I remember correctly it was a community choice or do I remember correctly?

And now there's a voting mechanism in place, for future changes etc....

[blobafett2]

The fact he actively manipulated the price on behalf of early whales isn't going to sit well with the regulators and authorities.

If someone changes a variable or formula in a code, it's up to the people to start using it (or any other change) or not. That's what consensus is. Regulators and authorities (lol) can sit with that fact all they want.

Smooth/Icebreaker's goal is obviously to just keep repeating the same scam accusations in the hope some of it will stick which they have been trying for months now.  They are always taking about Dash (instead of Monero / Aeon) and as investors in a competitor their aspiration is to raise their valuation to 'be like Dash' by trying to turn the conversation here to the only issue they thought they could make a big deal out of, and make sure everyone keeps talking about that.

The fact that the Dash community and market came to a consensus on this 18 months ago and the team have been delivering market-leading features consistently since in a totally professional and ethical manner doesn't seem to matter to them and they obviously have no respect for the Dash community.

But it hasn't worked and Dash is still a leading top 5 alt with a strong community and a massive game-changing release around the corner, so now they are ramping it up by committing to post (lol) daily 'warning' messages here for users and hold the community hostage until the 'media' starts to 'accept' their financially-biased opinions, in other words, they are going full-tard.

I am documenting Smooth's attack activities (for all the competitors not just Dash) on this thread along with his latest insider-dealings between AEON/XMR: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1151565

[aleix]

Friendly reminder for newcomers:

This thread looks infected by trolls again. This is an non-moderated thread so they are free to try to promote their coins here  spreading lies and FUD. (icebreaker-eduardo, the dasher, adam, smooth, etc..)

For more information and civilized talk about Dash you can visit: www.dashtalk.org. Feel free to join us.


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[bigrcanada]

As Tungfa and other senior members have pointed out,  put these people on "IGNORE".

Smooth was off ignore as I hadn't thought of him as a troll originally....but its now obvious that he is, so he too is on the ignore list.  

And now...for some soothing music for everyone....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

Thanks Mangled Blue for reminding me of this song a few weeks ago!  love it...

[tungfa]

Looking for a Dash Sports Cap ?
 
https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-cap.5869/

[illodin]

Dash Price at Continued Risk of Weakness

http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/13/dash-price-at-continued-risk-of-weakness/

There is no hope for buyers as of writing, as the hourly RSI and MACD are in the negative zone highlighting weakness

You should write an article about the failed Monero pump as well. If the readers of newsbtc would be interested, then again, they probably aren't.

[Triptolemoose]

To all the newbees in here let me just introduce you guys (and girls) to our three long-overdue residing house pet trolls (and our strong upcoming 4th troll) who have but one single purpose
which is to derail this thread and/or discredit Dash by any means necessary even if that means blattently lying and spreading misinformation about Dash and its community :

AdamWhite  
TheDasher
iCEBREAKER
smooth

This community is however not powerless to these individuals, we have a weapon available and i urge everyone to start using it, it is called the ignore button and it
will have the following powerfull effect :


https://i.imgur.com/qyYYNmT.jpg

and trust me, that can hit harder on trolls then one can imagine ...
 

Thanks for the tip Quizzie! Just did the above and it made a big difference to the readability of the Dash thread.

[RenegadeMan]

In cryptocurrencies, adherence to published emission rates is not something which qualifies an electronic token as 'money'.

Miners complain if a crypto doesn't follow the emission rate but in the case of Dash, a couple of them only started doing so when Dash began acquiring value and that was for reasons of genuine monetary quality, nothing to do with 'emission rates'.

Gold did not follow any particular emission rate either, but it still acquired value. People just wanted to get their hands on it no matter how much anyone else had and that qualified it as 'money'.

It's important for a cryptocurrency to follow a published emission rate so that coin supply is predictable and Dash is doing that, the same as most other crypto's. The fact that it didn't do it in the first few hours is already priced into the market (by virtue of that event having occurred a year and a half ago).

Markets therefore determine what has value and 'emission rates' do not.

A true "sh*tcoin" is not one which deviates from its published emmision rate, rather it's one which claims to be 'money' and isn't according to all historical precedent.

Dash has prioritised its development effort to optimise the monetary properties of an electronic token. i.e. to create a monetary medium which is optimal by historical standards but which functions on an electronic platform without a counterparty.

Thats why it has value.

 

Hey Tok,

Welcome back (yes?)

We've missed your regular reminders of the key properties of 'money'. It's not something most crypto-nerds even think about let alone discuss. In fact it's not something even considered to be relevant or important. But that's part-and-parcel of realms full of people that are obsessed with bleeding edge tech; fundamentals of how humans have interacted for millenniums are thrown out (with the bath water) because the overarching ethos is "oh, it's all completely different now..."

I'm reminded of the madness of the dot-com bubble leading up to April 2000. Weren't those heady days! I remember reading lots of articles in tech magazines where writers who'd become HTML and e-commerce "experts" ventured their narrow-knowledge-base understanding of the world into forecasting how the stock market was being driven by phenomena never seen before in human history and measurements like P/E ratios were becoming obsolete. It facilitated a madness that to this day is still hard to fathom. Basically anyone with a publicly listed company simply had to change their name to have 'web' or anybloodynameaslongasithasadotcominit.com and their stock would soar.

I remember down here in Australia one of our oldest retailing industry stalwarts was just incredulous that on-line retailers were buying up stock of merchandise they thought was hot-to-trot over the counter at regular large chains and then reselling them online for higher prices. And mad it was. And even madder was the way people threw money at it like it didn't matter what price they were buying these stocks for, they "couldn't lose!"

But of course, like EVERYTHING that's ever been and ever will be in this human realm, there are certain rules around liquidity and 'money' and the manner in which mobs of buyers and sellers behave. And as rapidly as the Dow and particularly the Nasdaq went up, they went down even faster when people got a whiff of things not being quite as rosy as they'd been led to believe.

This sort of one-eyed besottedness and investing OCD is clearly playing out in crypto too. And, years from now when the winners and losers of "Coin Wars" are written up in the history books I think there'll be a substantial awareness of the phenomena of techno boffins building amazing things but missing fundamental aspects of human behaviour and how it relates to what's been developed.

Cryptos with invisible or hidden block chains will surely be just such an example. And when the full awareness of why an open and clearly visible public ledger is fundamental to a unit of account being accepted as 'money', there'll also be much amazement and incredulity that there were groups of peopple that actually failed to comprehend this and understand how important it is.

Interesting times...

[RenegadeMan]

In cryptocurrencies, adherence to published emission rates is not something which qualifies an electronic token as 'money'.

Miners complain if a crypto doesn't follow the emission rate but in the case of Dash, a couple of them only started doing so when Dash began acquiring value and that was for reasons of genuine monetary quality, nothing to do with 'emission rates'.

Gold did not follow any particular emission rate either, but it still acquired value. People just wanted to get their hands on it no matter how much anyone else had and that qualified it as 'money'.

It's important for a cryptocurrency to follow a published emission rate so that coin supply is predictable and Dash is doing that, the same as most other crypto's. The fact that it didn't do it in the first few hours is already priced into the market (by virtue of that event having occurred a year and a half ago).

Markets therefore determine what has value and 'emission rates' do not.

A true "sh*tcoin" is not one which deviates from its published emmision rate, rather it's one which claims to be 'money' and isn't according to all historical precedent.

Dash has prioritised its development effort to optimise the monetary properties of an electronic token. i.e. to create a monetary medium which is optimal by historical standards but which functions on an electronic platform without a counterparty.

Thats why it has value.

 

Hey Tok,

Welcome back (yes?)

We've missed your regular reminders of the key properties of 'money'. It's not something most crypto-nerds even think about let alone discuss. In fact it's not something even considered to be relevant or important. But that's part-and-parcel of realms full of people that are obsessed with bleeding edge tech; fundamentals of how humans have interacted for millenniums are thrown out (with the bath water) because the overarching ethos is "oh, it's all completely different now..."

I'm reminded of the madness of the dot-com bubble leading up to April 2000. Weren't those heady days! I remember reading lots of articles in tech magazines where writers who'd become HTML and e-commerce "experts" ventured their narrow-knowledge-base understanding of the world into forecasting how the stock market was being driven by phenomena never seen before in human history and measurements like P/E ratios were becoming obsolete. It facilitated a madness that to this day is still hard to fathom. Basically anyone with a publicly listed company simply had to change their name to have 'web' or anybloodynameaslongasithasadotcominit.com and their stock would soar.

I remember down here in Australia one of our oldest retailing industry stalwarts was just incredulous that on-line retailers were buying up stock of merchandise they thought was hot-to-trot over the counter at regular large chains and then reselling them online for higher prices. And mad it was. And even madder was the way people threw money at it like it didn't matter what price they were buying these stocks for, they "couldn't lose!"

But of course, like EVERYTHING that's ever been and ever will be in this human realm, there are certain rules around liquidity and 'money' and the manner in which mobs of buyers and sellers behave. And as rapidly as the Dow and particularly the Nasdaq went up, they went down even faster when people got a whiff of things not being quite as rosy as they'd been led to believe.

This sort of one-eyed besottedness and investing OCD is clearly playing out in crypto too. And, years from now when the winners and losers of "Coin Wars" are written up in the history books I think there'll be a substantial awareness of the phenomena of techno boffins building amazing things but missing fundamental aspects of human behaviour and how it relates to what's been developed.

Cryptos with invisible or hidden block chains will surely be just such an example. And when the full awareness of why an open and clearly visible public ledger is fundamental to a unit of account being accepted as 'money', there'll also be much amazement and incredulity that there were groups of peopple that actually failed to comprehend this and understand how important it is.

Interesting times...

Gerry Harvey has a hate for on-line retail competition.  Was it Harvey Norman?

Yep. Obviously the guy is a dinosaur and has missed the boat on building an on-line business (but he's still winning because of Sydney's insane real-estate boom and all those store sites he owns outright) but he did make sense about how ridiculous things got during the dot-com bubble.