Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[CoolIT]

People need to chill. You invested on something that you should have known is high risk, high reward.

Sure, there was a screw up... But please reserve your freakouts for if there is another delay and no progress shown.

All I want is for the damn things to be extremely reliable and run for as long as there are bitcoins.

Might take some time for a ROI on my 10 X1's but as long as they keep working, I will have it and then some.

Worst case senario, it's funner than gambling and reading the entertainment on this forum is amusing.

Now, how are those monarch cards doing ? ... The only way I will be disappointed is if the Monarch comes out before I get my new toys, and work reliably.

[Dogeprevails]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

[Airwhale]

Matt,

Is there any way that you guys would be willing to post a more detailed outline of what needs to be done between now and May?  Like others,  I'm really nervous about the delay,  and after such certainty from you guys that things would be out by the 28th,  I'm finding it a little hard to not question the new date of may 1st.  I just don't want to be BFLed =)

[3DX4D]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

Not sure, but I did notice this question asked already, only to be completely ignored.  I also sent an email to miner source asking that exact question and have not heard back as of yet.  I have 4 X-1's on order and would like to cancel and get a refund as this delay is pretty extreme and by my calcs it makes break even a pipe dream at best.

[Unacceptable]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

Not sure, but I did notice this question asked already, only to be completely ignored.  I also sent an email to miner source asking that exact question and have not heard back as of yet.  I have 4 X-1's on order and would like to cancel and get a refund as this delay is pretty extreme and by my calcs it makes break even a pipe dream at best.

Matt (bobsag3) PM'ed me back,said he'll get back to me after his visit to BA  

[tokona]

Matt,

Is there any way that you guys would be willing to post a more detailed outline of what needs to be done between now and May?  Like others,  I'm really nervous about the delay,  and after such certainty from you guys that things would be out by the 28th,  I'm finding it a little hard to not question the new date of may 1st.  I just don't want to be BFLed =)

I also want to know that, and when batch 1 is late can batch 2 buyers trust that it will be shipped on time?

[bobsag3]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

Not sure, but I did notice this question asked already, only to be completely ignored.  I also sent an email to miner source asking that exact question and have not heard back as of yet.  I have 4 X-1's on order and would like to cancel and get a refund as this delay is pretty extreme and by my calcs it makes break even a pipe dream at best.

Matt (bobsag3) PM'ed me back,said he'll get back to me after his visit to BA  

I will confirm this.

[Vexatious]

I requested a refund from Minersource via e-mail a couple of hours ago, still awaiting a reply. *crossing fingers* With my luck, they'll honor the refund and then I'll regret doing it come May when they start shipping! LOL Also, if this is some big scam (which I'm not 100% buying to be honest), they certainly won't be giving any refunds... I guess we wait and see.

If I do get a response from them, I'll share it here.

[jimmothy]

I requested a refund from Minersource via e-mail a couple of hours ago, still awaiting a reply. *crossing fingers* With my luck, they'll honor the refund and then I'll regret doing it come May when they start shipping! LOL Also, if this is some big scam (which I'm not 100% buying to be honest), they certainly won't be giving any refunds... I guess we wait and see.

If I do get a response from them, I'll share it here.

I would give them a few days to get things figured out before expecting a refund.

[terrapinflyer]

bobsag is in china meeting the BA team rite now trying to get a handle on this situation. How about we give him a break for sec so he can wrap his head around this whole debacle before we all hammer him with refund requests. 

[sticky]

i also inquired about a refund.(from black arrow) i got a reply asking that i stick with them and that  i wont be disappointed. maybe they have some other compensation planned? they also said i could create a support ticket for a refund if i did want to continue with one.

[bitterdog]

Oh wow

[BlackArrow Matt]

We're absolutely considering further options. Also, I'm hoping to provide better updates but I'm in a different country than the engineers. That makes getting photos more difficult. I will absolutely try my best to get updates out.

[bobsag3]

bobsag is in china meeting the BA team rite now trying to get a handle on this situation. How about we give him a break for sec so he can wrap his head around this whole debacle before we all hammer him with refund requests. 

Going to the uk*
But pretty much you hit the nail on the head.

[MinerHosting SysOps]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

I say yes, and the following is how I came to that conclusion.

On August 29, 2013, 12:14:25 PM, bobsag3, a.k.a Matt Carson, stated the following: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=283803.msg3037195#msg3037195

Who are you and why should I trust you?:
DyslexicZombei has vetted me thru his service, and will providing help regarding the buy and hosting.

Let's see who DyslexicZombei is, and what service Matt speaks of that he owns, shall we? <Please don't burn the popcorn!>

DyslexicZombei

Name:   DyslexicZombei
Posts:   1286
Activity:   196
Position:   Full Member
Date Registered:   July 25, 2013, 02:04:18 PM
Last Active:   January 31, 2014, 02:13:16 AM

ICQ:   
AIM:   
MSN:   
YIM:   
Email:   hidden
Website:   DyslexicZombei's Miners Cooperative
Current Status:   Offline Offline
Skype:   dyslexic.zombei
Other contact info:   I'm also available via Skype if you'd like to discuss business.

Highlighted in yellow, for the seeing impaired, is DyslexicZombei's venerable service. It links to: https://www.dzminercoop.com/

Let's see what we can gleaned from Whois, if anything, shall... <THE POPCORN! Told you to watch it.>

Domain Name: DZMINERCOOP.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1829242669_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Creation Date: 2013-09-28 22:09:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-09-28 22:09:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: JAMES HILLIARD
Registrant Organization: MINER HOSTING LLC
Registrant Street: 2057 VIENNA RD
Registrant City: ROLLA
Registrant State/Province: MO
Registrant Postal Code: 65401
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.8176015941
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555

Damn! Nothing to really see there. And I thought I was on to something. Oh, well! Shit happens!

Moving on, forgetting about the above, for it's clearly a dead end... <Make some more popcorn, but don't burn it this time, mkay?>

Let's see what we can find out about Matt Carson's minersource.net via Whois:

Domain Name: MINERSOURCE.NET
Registry Domain ID: 1822903921_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Creation Date: 2013-08-21 22:12:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-08-21 22:12:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: JAMES HILLIARD
Registrant Organization: MINER HOSTING LLC
Registrant Street: 2057 VIENNA RD
Registrant City: ROLLA
Registrant State/Province: MO
Registrant Postal Code: 65401
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.8176015941
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555

<Enjoying the popcorn?>

Well, that was totally unexpected. On top of that, it looks vaguely familiar, but where I have seen... OMFG! Surely not! Yeap, it is! It matches the Whois of https://www.dzminercoop.com/.

<Not responsible if you chocked on your popcorn.>

This revelation could only mean one thing! Matt Carson will refund, because...

Ergo, any Bitcoiner having the ability to convince other bitcoiners that he can be trusted because he vetted himself WILL most definitely refund any other Bitcoiner who has ordered from him with no questions asked, and in a timely fashion. Simply ask! Isn't that right, Matt X Matt Carson?

Question: How many of you bitcoiners that ordered miners from Black Arrow or through Matt Carson's venerable site are going to wait till after the May deadline has past before you request refunds?

As an added bonus, for those asking themselves "Who the hell is James Hilliard?", perhaps I can help, albeit there's only one tiny caveat: It'll cost you $5,000 USD via BTC if you don't know how to use Google. Simply hit me up via a PM, whereupon I'll provide you a bitcoin wallet address to pay me that $5,000, then I'll share with you some startling information that will just blow your ass away. It's such a small price to pay, especially for those that may have pre-orders at some other unnamed site (hint) and desire to be first on its refund list, in which case saving you perhaps tens of thousands of dollars more.

All that said above, now what are the odds that Matt X is closely related to Matt Carson, even though they have clearly already vetted each other?

So we got any official reps here from Black Arrow besides OP?

For now theres me, and BlackArrow_Matt. For a while I thought he was impersonating me... we have the same name and I got confused lol.

~TMIBTCITW

I'm not hiding or anything(I didn't hide the whois intentionally), just don't know why you care. I'm just not exactly active on the forums. I have made a commit(https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/47956df9036fb838ecdfca417117286b558fdd2a) to cgminer though.

[bobsag3]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

*snip*

I'm not hiding or anything(I didn't hide the whois intentionally), just don't know why you care. I'm just not exactly active on the forums. I have made a commit(https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/47956df9036fb838ecdfca417117286b558fdd2a) to cgminer though.

Can confirm James works for us over at minersource, that would be why his info is on our site. He is also one of the web devs on the new dzminercoop, hence that. Nothing really to hide there...

[terrapinflyer]

So, is cancelling and getting a refund from Minersource at all possible?

*snip*

I'm not hiding or anything(I didn't hide the whois intentionally), just don't know why you care. I'm just not exactly active on the forums. I have made a commit(https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/47956df9036fb838ecdfca417117286b558fdd2a) to cgminer though.

Can confirm James works for us over at minersource, that would be why his info is on our site. He is also one of the web devs on the new dzminercoop, hence that. Nothing really to hide there...

Im having a hard time seeing how any of this is relevant to this situation. Are we still supposed to believe that BA Matt and bobsag are the same guy cause Im not buying that at all. 

I would much rather have a discussion on a reasonable way that BA can make up for this debacle that does not screw either party. I was once told that when making a good deal neither party should be walking away feeling they have the upper hand. BA screwed up, we all knew that this was a possibility when we gave them our money. I would like to see this project not die in the water. I can understand that people are upset and want refunds, they are more then entitled in my option. Making threats, bitching, or spreading hateful rumors will not fix this situation. Im not buying that BA is scamming us either I have a hard time thinking that bobsag would risk his rep in this community by backing a scam. I could be wrong but this time I really dont think so.

[tracyhh]

I received an email from you, I have been told  all Batch 1 orders will be dispatched on 1st of May 2014, it means the  Batch 1 orders delivery

delays....
  more important is if you dispatch on 1st of May 2014,it means all Customers like me will never make any profit at all  by using your products

considering the increase of bitcoin mining difficulty. and can never get my money back which I used to buy your products

so ,
I want to know what's the compensation for Batch 1 orders delivery delays??
how can I get it and more important is when it begins???

I have been told that you will offer free extra hashing power which consists of 25% of my purchased hashing power from your Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 4 months. ist it means that I will just get 500Ghash/sec(my purchased hashing power is 2000Ghash,X3) by using your Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 4 months for free?
just 500Ghash??omg....so sad ,so shamed.. when it will begins??when  can I use your Rent-Some-Minions cloud program for 4 months for free?and how can I use? shoud I tell you my pool informations like my mining worker name???

I just feel so sad about your delays...I will never try to buy more your products...

[jimmothy]

Congrats. You did a search for Matt Carson and found a profile that admitted that it was the owner of minersource.net.
You're such a sleuth. You should work for the FBI

I think I may have something to contribute to the investigation:

Black arrow matt and bobsag both wear shoes.

You know who else wears shoes? The answer is scammers. I think you should look in to this further phinnaeus gage

[terrapinflyer]

That hardly proves anything and his ebay account has 2 neg ratings. Your attempting to smear his name and your doing a shit job. I understand that you may be trying to help here but I do have to say that all your doing is making an ass of yourself. Like I said this is not a constructive conversation in the slightest, if you have some real evidence please provide it. Otherwise it seems like your trying to extract more funds from this group buy by spreading rumors and demanding some half ass bounty for your dead end google searches.  Do you have some kind of personal agenda or vendetta to settle? Are you trying to position yourself to benefit from this situation in some way?