Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[Unacceptable]

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months   Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st   

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

I stand corrected,starting from march 10th,april 10th-may 10th is 2 months extra waiting..............

My orders are 1st batch,so yes I expected feb 24th to march 10th as my ship dates

Yes ASICminer-no delays,KNC-1-2 weeks,MBP-1 month I think,I'll be corrected,I'm sure 

[Flying Hellfish]

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months   Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st   

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

I stand corrected,starting from march 10th,april 10th-may 10th is 2 months extra waiting..............

My orders are 1st batch,so yes I expected feb 24th to march 10th as my ship dates

Yes ASICminer-no delays,KNC-1-2 weeks,MBP-1 month I think,I'll be corrected,I'm sure 

Everybody always leaves out Bitmain.  Selling and shipping only what they have in stock, those lads deserve some credit.

[Unacceptable]

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months   Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st   

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

I stand corrected,starting from march 10th,april 10th-may 10th is 2 months extra waiting..............

My orders are 1st batch,so yes I expected feb 24th to march 10th as my ship dates

Yes ASICminer-no delays,KNC-1-2 weeks,MBP-1 month I think,I'll be corrected,I'm sure 

Everybody always leaves out Bitmain.  Selling and shipping only what they have in stock, those lads deserve some credit.

I told ya I'd be corrected!!!!!!!! 

Absolutely they do    In fact I'm ordering 1 in a few hours & another in a week or 2 

[alfabitcoin]

I think jimmothy is an example of customers what every asic preorder company desire   no offense

[Lloydie]

Hi ! Well.. PG is just trolling this forum in an unacceptable way.

Correction, there is no trolling.  The information being provided and the holding of supposed responsible parties to account is more than acceptable, it is completely necessary and is one of the few reasons why any disclosure at all is taking place by a company who received funds in good faith from customers but whose good faith is far from being repaid.

You are delusional. Quit trolling and do something productive.

You come to this thread knowing that literally every asic manufacturer has experienced delays and act like you predicted the future when it was the same with BA.

Try not to pat yourself on the back too hard.

Notice how the only ones crying for a refund are the ones without orders from BA?

Seriously fuck off. We all knew that when preordering nonexistent hardware there would be a huge chance of delays and we accepted that fact when ordering.

We will get our (still best priced) hardware eventually and you will continue hopping from thread to thread letting everyone who preordered an asic know exactly how stupid they are.

Get a life

No mate, you can fuck off yourself asshole. When members of the community provide information that informs the community at large of nefarious dealings, inconsistent statements, broken promises and attempts to defraud, it sure as hell isn't trolling, it's holding people to account.

If you don't like it that's too fucking bad.

I do hope you get your hardware but in the meantime, direct any anger you have to those who've deliberately lied to you about realistic delivery dates, those who've suckered you in to take the investment risk normally taken by venture capitalists who also become part owners in the business and who have dangled you out on the customer thread with very limited upside, that is, assuming you get a product at all.

You may not like it, but your attempts to shout down meaningful criticism do you no service at all.

No ole, you Fuck Off. You are NOT providing meaningful criticism. Asshole.

[GodfatherBond]

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months   Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st   

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

Actually yes, KNC shipped on time.

[Lloydie]

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat?

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

 

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

[dropt]

So,feb-march-april-maybe in may is 2 months  Looks like 3 months at least if they do deliver by may 1st  

The original ship date was the end of Feb not the beginning. No one ever expected to see shipping before the end of Feb, if you did you where completely oblivious. So you math is a bit off, April-May(be) is 2 months.
Has anyone ever shipped on time?
Seriously, has anyone ever shipped on time?

Actually yes, KNC shipped on time.

Acutally, no they didn't.  They may have only missed it by days/weeks, but they missed it.

[smooth]

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat?

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

 

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

I find you both incredibly entertaining. Don't change a thing.

[dropt]

Everybody always leaves out Bitmain.  Selling and shipping only what they have in stock, those lads deserve some credit.

IMO They deserve a lot of credit.  I don't know why they're so heavily overlooked.  Maybe it is likely because they didn't rah-rah a bunch of idiots into pre-orders only to leave them hanging.  I'm buying as many S1's as my plans allow, and I'd hazard a guess that almost every single person who is buying into Bitmain units is far, far better off than anyone involved in any of the pre-order screw-ups.  

[dropt]

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat?

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

 

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

I find you both incredibly entertaining. Don't change a thing.

  I agree.

[Lloydie]

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat?

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

 

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

I find you both incredibly entertaining. Don't change a thing.

  I agree.

If it provided a brief bit of levity in this shit space we are in, happy to oblige. 

[xstr8guy]

Hi ! Well.. PG is just trolling this forum in an unacceptable way.

Correction, there is no trolling.  The information being provided and the holding of supposed responsible parties to account is more than acceptable, it is completely necessary and is one of the few reasons why any disclosure at all is taking place by a company who received funds in good faith from customers but whose good faith is far from being repaid.

You are delusional. Quit trolling and do something productive.

You come to this thread knowing that literally every asic manufacturer has experienced delays and act like you predicted the future when it was the same with BA.

Try not to pat yourself on the back too hard.

Notice how the only ones crying for a refund are the ones without orders from BA?

Seriously fuck off. We all knew that when preordering nonexistent hardware there would be a huge chance of delays and we accepted that fact when ordering.

We will get our (still best priced) hardware eventually and you will continue hopping from thread to thread letting everyone who preordered an asic know exactly how stupid they are.

Get a life

Why do people keep saying this like it's the truth?!  Bitfury and KNC were very nearly right on target with their shipping dates... a few days here a couple weeks there... certainly nothing major.  And there's BitMain with their wonderful Antminers that just magically appeared without any preorder whatsoever.

[Lloydie]

Read on, Lloydie, you're not even at the end of the conversation. You missed the post where the mod neatly negates the person you're ostensibly supporting then your champion flounders by trying to cherry-pick parts of my comments.

Did I forget to mention you're an asshat?

Run along now, let's hear something that resembles a paragraph of original thought when you next post. I have to say that my post about you and the dead philosophers still makes me smile, especially as it only seems to have now dawned on you that you are the about-to-be-scammed, the scammed and the scammee.

You didn't know you were more than just an asshat, did you?

 

I know there is a good chance I've been scammed. The sick part are wankers like you and PG doing the I told you so's, asking for 10 Btc for info, producing "satire", and you "philosophy". Thanks but seriously get a fucking life. Be witty with your meaningless bullshit somewhere else. We do not thank you. We say Fuck Off to you with a middle finger. Make that one arm over the other with a raised fist.

As I said above, I won't be going anywhere, I explained my reasons why the broader community needs to know about the underhanded business practices of hardware manufacturers and I sure as hell am not the first person to say that on this forum. I don't repeat myself to asshats so I won't tell you why your gullibility and stupidity allows others to get rich from your money while screwing you into the ground.

You're a fool and the worst sort of fool is the fool who doesn't know he's a fool.

Your accolades are growing by the hour, about-to-be-scammed, scammed, scammee, asshat and fool.

How about you actually address what people are saying rather than venting your frustration with meaningless teen-angst-ridden insults?

If you're wounded and people commenting on the lack of business ethics by BA and others pours salt in your wounds and makes you mad, I understand, you're not liking the pain and you're not able to lash out at BA as... wait for it... they haven't even made an official comment on their own official thread. You, their loyal customer and patsy, are being ripped so you'd prefer that people were quiet than quite rightly inform other members of the community that BA are struggling to meet any customer commitments at all.

Wounded and hurt, maybe we add those to your list? Or are you all cool again and fine with being ripped?

Lemme see. Are you telling us something we don't already know? No. Are you offering comfort or encouragement? Also no. Are you being a smartass after the fact wanker? Why yes. And for that, I reiterate: GTFO.

For the record, I'm not cool with being ripped. I expect bobsag3 to sort this shit out. Also, I believe BA's backed team has failed. I do want my money back or hash power if they work something out with AM. If these things don't happen, I will be very unhappy with Mr Carson.

Meanwhile, my fist is still raised against you, ole.

[ernie-]

Why do people keep saying thus like it's the truth?!  Bitfury and KNC were very nearly right on target with their shipping dates... a few days here a couple weeks there... certainly nothing major.  And there's BitMain with their wonderful Antminers that just magically appeared without any preorder whatsoever.

BitMain seem to have their act together, I see many people here selling their units with delivery no more than a week or so. I am interested in the Black Arrow too, but I can't quite work out when someone will have them in stock like the Antminers.

[jimmothy]

I think jimmothy is an example of customers what every asic preorder company desire   no offense

I bought from BFL and made a profit in USD regardless of the ridiculous delays. I don't want people to be mislead and they should know that EVERY asic manufacturer that accepts preorders will miss the deadline. It is not a secret.

Unless you buy from bitmain or asicminer you will not get your asic on time.

What you fudsters forget is that a 2 month delay does not equal a guaranteed loss. It does mean that you will not profit AS much as you would have if you had it earlier but assuming you are already at a loss is simply wrong according to history.

This all ignores the fact that BA may even decide to give out refunds even though they are not obligated in their TOS and they might come up with a better compensation plan for the delays.

[alfabitcoin]

I think jimmothy is an example of customers what every asic preorder company desire   no offense

I bought from BFL and made a profit in USD regardless of the ridiculous delays. I don't want people to be mislead and they should know that EVERY asic manufacturer that accepts preorders will miss the deadline. It is not a secret.

Unless you buy from bitmain or asicminer you will not get your asic on time.

What you fudsters forget is that a 2 month delay does not equal a guaranteed loss. It does mean that you will not profit AS much as you would have if you had it earlier but assuming you are already at a loss is simply wrong according to history.

This all ignores the fact that BA may even decide to give out refunds even though they are not obligated in their TOS and they might come up with a better compensation plan for the delays.

I never said anything earlier about anything. Bfl, knc, bitfurry,metabank,avalon all had refunds. Like i said, you defend BA what is a bit unusual with all what is going on, so i concluded you are the perfect preorder buyer who does not question anything.
Afterall, that is only my opinion

[jimmothy]

I think jimmothy is an example of customers what every asic preorder company desire   no offense

I bought from BFL and made a profit in USD regardless of the ridiculous delays. I don't want people to be mislead and they should know that EVERY asic manufacturer that accepts preorders will miss the deadline. It is not a secret.

Unless you buy from bitmain or asicminer you will not get your asic on time.

What you fudsters forget is that a 2 month delay does not equal a guaranteed loss. It does mean that you will not profit AS much as you would have if you had it earlier but assuming you are already at a loss is simply wrong according to history.

This all ignores the fact that BA may even decide to give out refunds even though they are not obligated in their TOS and they might come up with a better compensation plan for the delays.

I never said anything earlier about anything. Bfl, knc, bitfurry,metabank,avalon all had refunds. Like i said, you defend BA what is a bit unusual with all what is going on, so i concluded you are the perfect preorder buyer who does not question anything.

BFL had refunds? Are we talking about the same BFL?

KNC was only a few weeks late, I don't know if bitfury had preorders and I've never heard of metabank.

I assume you have never actually mined bitcoins and are unaware that literally nobody has seen a loss in terms of USD. In terms of btc we all know it is a gamble and it looks like the odds of BA paying off are decreased. Refunds are a possibility although were never guaranteed.

Just because a few butthurt kids, who weren't aware of the rules of the game before playing it, flood the forum with rage doesn't mean these companies who have produced working hardware are scammers.

But again if you want hardware on time, buy an asicminer or antminer device. If you want to take a risk of possibly getting a better deal for the same hashrate then you might want to preorder.

[alfabitcoin]

I think jimmothy is an example of customers what every asic preorder company desire   no offense

I bought from BFL and made a profit in USD regardless of the ridiculous delays. I don't want people to be mislead and they should know that EVERY asic manufacturer that accepts preorders will miss the deadline. It is not a secret.

Unless you buy from bitmain or asicminer you will not get your asic on time.

What you fudsters forget is that a 2 month delay does not equal a guaranteed loss. It does mean that you will not profit AS much as you would have if you had it earlier but assuming you are already at a loss is simply wrong according to history.

This all ignores the fact that BA may even decide to give out refunds even though they are not obligated in their TOS and they might come up with a better compensation plan for the delays.

I never said anything earlier about anything. Bfl, knc, bitfurry,metabank,avalon all had refunds. Like i said, you defend BA what is a bit unusual with all what is going on, so i concluded you are the perfect preorder buyer who does not question anything.

BFL had refunds? Are we talking about the same BFL?

KNC was only a few weeks late, I don't know if bitfury had preorders and I've never heard of metabank.

I assume you have never actually mined bitcoins and are unaware that literally nobody has seen a loss in terms of USD. In terms of btc we all know it is a gamble and it looks like the odds of BA paying off are decreased. Refunds are a possibility although were never guaranteed.

Just because a few butthurt kids, who weren't aware of the rules of the game before playing it, flood the forum with rage doesn't mean these companies who have produced working hardware are scammers.

But again if you want hardware on time, buy an asicminer or antminer device. If you want to take a risk of possibly getting a better deal for the same hashrate then you might want to preorder.

So you assume i never mine bitcoins, why, how in earth you detirmined that? Is it because i said bfl issued refunds. Fyi Bfl did issued many refunds but changed their tos too. Metabank is ruusian asic manufacture based on bitfury chips. So now i can assume you never mined anything in your life!! Are you a kid?      Knc was delayed only two weeks but had refunds.
Once more i never addressed you in anything else then my opinion of perfect preorder custmer what has none of concerns.
If that offends you then that is your problem, but address that opinion only and stop to assume.
Btw BA was online yesterday. Why he can not say anything?
Another advice, if you do not like to read what pg and others have to say, there is a ignore button - use it.

[Lloydie]

Yeah, go the refund if you can.

I can say it's a good feeling getting a refund and then spending the money on hardware that actually exists and has been road-tested by the community. Better to pay a little bit more and have the product 'in hand' as they say rather than wait for, in one well known case, up to and over a year for units to arrive.

I'm far from unsympathetic to the cause of customers duped by manufacturers promises, I was one previously and was fortunate to take action to get a refund and tried to layout a path for others to also get refunded. You can see that my comments on page 12 of this thread were elevated to the OP in an endeavour to assist others:

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=295187.0

What has become clear is that after the fiasco involving a number of manufacturers with credit card chargebacks, paypal refunds and similar is that some hardware manufacturers became smarter at defrauding more deliberate in only accepting payment methods which were far more difficult to get refunded.

We all make mistakes and even though I read that I should stay well clear of BFL as they took many, many months to deliver, I was still optimistic enough to believe their repeated claims that 'all products would be shipped by the end of September', when as we know now, this was just another deliberate lie mis-representation of their capabilities.

So far from just chipping in on this thread for the hell of it, I am rather hoping that some new members of this forum (and there are loads of those) actually take the time to think before they spend their money and get the miners they pay for in the time frames they expect to receive them.

This just aint happening here, is it?

 

Well I for one didn't see your warnings. Whether i read it or not, it still doesn't justify you coming in here being all witty and saying I told you so. However, i do thank you for the refund path. However, I can't see that it would help if the money is already gone. If you have proof that this is a scam, please share it. We will make sure Matt Carson knows about it. If he is involved, his reputation and his mugshot will be smeared.