Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[RoadStress]

I spent 12k USD today on competitor hardware.
I may not have made the best choice but I sure didn't make the worst ..

The hashboard x3 issues sound like a problem that should have been well known a long time ago.
Even if it's not trivial to fix.

What you got?

[ghcannon]

The thing in your sig, two of them, and an ant miner

[RoadStress]

The thing in your sig, two of them, and an ant miner

Good choice! Thank you.

[lajz99]

Black Arrow + bobsag3 = Bad Deal

Not surprising he's got a unit to show and nobody else does yet...also not surprising the unit doesn't run as expected...  You know what they call people who don't learn from their mistakes?

[Unacceptable]

Black Arrow + bobsag3 = Bad Deal

Not surprising he's got a unit to show and nobody else does yet...also not surprising the unit doesn't run as expected...  You know what they call people who don't learn from their mistakes?

BFL customers  

[tracyhh]

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

I am in China

but what you claimed? theft? scam?
can you please post a copy of the complaint?
which payment method you used?
[/quote]

claimed: "非法集资"，“商业诈骗”, and when these relevance to bitcoin business..it's serious to Chinese Goverment..it just depends on how many people be cheated and the amount of money...

I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

yes, if make them to court is expensive..but,when victims are so many..1.we can share the fees..2.that will pay the goverment's attention.. it's serious..

even if all these failed...I can exposure this company to media,dig and find out the boss of this company...let other customer not buy products from this cheating company and avoid being cheating by BA....

anyway, I am taking actions..not waiting...

how about you sorry,but are you work for BA??

[tracyhh]

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

I am in China

but what you claimed? theft? scam?
can you please post a copy of the complaint?
which payment method you used?
[/quote]



by the way..until now..I have not been told which day I can receive my order?and also, they refused my refund..what? I shall still wait...wait...unit...2015...2016...2050? always waiting???....you tell me..

[jimmothy]

I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

[tracyhh]

I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

I shall never buy preorder or something like this..I can easily and safely buy the same machine in cheaper price than BA in China and most important is :it's stock miner..I can get very quickly...but,now...BA didn't send me my order and refuse my refund...

honestly, I thought BA is serious company in miners...but now, I don't think so, at least...they should accept customer's refund request if they are a good and responsible company...they said if they refund me, what about the products already or in productions...that make me laugh...if their products are good enough..they can sell them to other customer who want to buy their products.unless, they already knows they can't sell their products to other customers because no one will buy them and they are not competitiveness in the market now...

it's shame...I trusted BA before...really...not just because I am chinese....

[tracyhh]

I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

I shall never buy preorder or something like this..I can easily and safely buy the same machine in cheaper price than BA in China and most important is :it's stock miner..I can get very quickly...but,now...BA didn't send me my order and refuse my refund...

honestly, I thought BA is serious company in miners...but now, I don't think so, at least...they should accept customer's refund request if they are a good and responsible company...they said if they refund me, what about the products already or in productions...that make me laugh...if their products are good enough..they can sell them to other customer who want to buy their products.unless, they already knows they can't sell their products to other customers because no one will buy them and they are not competitiveness in the market now...

it's shame...I trusted BA before...really...not just because I am chinese....

honestly, I am a graduate student...I really need money to support my life...first, I just want to make some money buy some gifts to my parents..but now...I am been cheated...I lost all my money..it's really a big amounts...I don't know what to do...I even can't pay school fees....and I am not tell my parents for now...I just don't want them worried.but maybe,they will know this someday I really can't support my life..they also have to call police and take this company to court...or ask for help from net and society....
I also not tell this to my partners...I don't think bitcoin should like this...cheating... that may make bitcoin died if lose trust....

[tracyhh]

I don't want wast time to argue with you...I just do my job.. try my best to get my money back and also help everyone here who wants their refund...

Just curious, why did you preorder from a company in china which said no refunds?

I shall never buy preorder or something like this..I can easily and safely buy the same machine in cheaper price than BA in China and most important is :it's stock miner..I can get very quickly...but,now...BA didn't send me my order and refuse my refund...

honestly, I thought BA is serious company in miners...but now, I don't think so, at least...they should accept customer's refund request if they are a good and responsible company...they said if they refund me, what about the products already or in productions...that make me laugh...if their products are good enough..they can sell them to other customer who want to buy their products.unless, they already knows they can't sell their products to other customers because no one will buy them and they are not competitiveness in the market now...

it's shame...I trusted BA before...really...not just because I am chinese....

bitmain and other company are selling miner in cheaper price now...(in stock)..I shall buy in stock miner not preorder....BA,,please refund me ,get my money back and also compensate for all this...

[fivejonnyfive]

tracyhh:

I know you're frustrated.

Everyone reading this thread is frustrated

The customers are frustrated.

The resellers are frustrated.

Maybe even the staff of BA is frustrated.

Nonetheless, and I ask in the nicest possible way: Please, from the bottom of my heart, stop spamming this thread with noninformation.

You've posted in the thread like 30 something times begging for a refund and talking about calling the police. I get it. You really want a refund. A lot of people here do. You bought a machine with a policy that says no refunds. You bought a machine with a policy that says they had no obligation to ship on time. You thought it would work out, like a lot of people here did, and now you're worried it didn't or it won't. Maybe that's a crime in China, I honestly don't know chinese law. But if you've made it a police matter you're definitely not helping anyone anywhere by talking about that police matter here.

Anyway, I'm starting to get a little long myself here, and I'm trying not to be too much of a ponce. I hold no authority over your right to post, and if you feel you should continue I cannot stop you.

I will, as a final note, mention that it is poor etiquette on any forum of message-board to post to the same thread several times in a row. There is a button marked "edit" which will allow you to add information to prior posts. Thank you. 

[CryptoGuy]

Everyone should get screen shots of competitor hardware prices when the units actually ship. This will come in handy when they discuss compensation in a few months.

[tracyhh]

tracyhh:

I know you're frustrated.

Everyone reading this thread is frustrated

The customers are frustrated.

The resellers are frustrated.

Maybe even the staff of BA is frustrated.

Nonetheless, and I ask in the nicest possible way: Please, from the bottom of my heart, stop spamming this thread with noninformation.

You've posted in the thread like 30 something times begging for a refund and talking about calling the police. I get it. You really want a refund. A lot of people here do. You bought a machine with a policy that says no refunds. You bought a machine with a policy that says they had no obligation to ship on time. You thought it would work out, like a lot of people here did, and now you're worried it didn't or it won't. Maybe that's a crime in China, I honestly don't know chinese law. But if you've made it a police matter you're definitely not helping anyone anywhere by talking about that police matter here.

Anyway, I'm starting to get a little long myself here, and I'm trying not to be too much of a ponce. I hold no authority over your right to post, and if you feel you should continue I cannot stop you.

I will, as a final note, mention that it is poor etiquette on any forum of message-board to post to the same thread several times in a row. There is a button marked "edit" which will allow you to add information to prior posts. Thank you. 

thanks for your advice on "edit"..and sorry for long post maybe.
but I just want to share infos with everyone . and try to get our money and compensate back.

[bobsag3]

Everyone should get screen shots of competitor hardware prices when the units actually ship. This will come in handy when they discuss compensation in a few months.

Good idea.
Unit is still running a solid 125gh at the pool 12 hours later. Will report back in the morning, Would you guys like a video? The thing is WHISPER quiet, even OCed.

[coolmusic]

fivejonnyfive +1
tracyhh I'm sorry about your situation but maybe you take a risk that don't fully understand and make an investment you can't afford, I hope BA start soon with the refunds.

I wonder why only a few people use the "pay only 50% in advance" option like I did to try share the risk a little bit

So looking back- In the time wen we place the orders BA looked as a good option. No spondoolies and no antminer s1 out there. I hate the preorders but at that time the option of paying the 50% in advance and the rest when the shipment is ready seems very fair to me. The delays, the bad communication and some (in my opinion) bad decisions disappointed me but hey that's life.

Looking ahead- I hope mass production and shipments start in few days. I hope a final compensation plan very soon.But If the tech problems and delays continue I hope at least they can set up a minion farm to give us cloud hashing.

[jimmothy]

Everyone should get screen shots of competitor hardware prices when the units actually ship. This will come in handy when they discuss compensation in a few months.

Good idea.
Unit is still running a solid 125gh at the pool 12 hours later. Will report back in the morning, Would you guys like a video? The thing is WHISPER quiet, even OCed.

A video would be nice.

Just curious, how does the air flow through the bottom of the case if it is sitting flat? Does it have legs or something?

[ghcannon]

@david I think everyone in this forum would appreciate it if Blackarrow and company come in here and take into consideration  customers' input in regards to the final compensation for batch 1 before making a final decision by themselves.

I want some of that stuff you're smoking.

[tracyhh]

updates:
1.for anyone who wants refunds and compensate now,I think we should be a group..

for now,you can send me the documentary evidence(word or PDF or picture)or any documents for your order and trade, transfer informations with BA(especially for those customer who buy the products through  Wire transfer) and also some simple Description about your case(like you come from which country,your email for contact,the amount you cost on your order?your ID verify like a copy of Passport will be nice.and anything you think it's necessary..) by PM me or email me:  [email protected]
I will do the actions to deal with police and lawyers..

2.for anyone want your order and also more compensate units...I think we also should be a group...
I can give you this:(to check the price(CNY) for the miner in China market now,they are all in stock and can send quickly)

http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=52

http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=40

they are just two example...

By the way, check this: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=456691 (BA just got C+)...

[asiabtc]

why don't join GB to my A1 1ths miner?more stable, cheaper.