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FJ has been cheating its players for years. I and others have pointed this out. They knew full well what they were doing.
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What webtricks says is true and it's been pointed out many times before. RNG systems are the current implementations of fairness. They need to be audited and then they need to be checked every now and then but this is NOT provably fair, because we still need to trust a third party in this case Orbital Labs.
So maybe just change the sectioning and not call it provably fair:)
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August 27, 2020, 08:54:57 AM |
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Fortunejack whats happen whith yuor hight odds on LIVE BASKETBALL ? when i start betting here. that was ods like 1.95-1.95 for live NBA and other top basketball matches! after change to 1.91 - 1.91 - its ok! it still good odds! and now 1.83 - 1.83 !!! for NBA Women realy!? why did you make it so low?
also before you had bonuses for those who bet on sports! now there is none of this !!! I don't want to go to another bookmaker! but odds like 1.83 - 1.83 are worse than any bookmaker using same platform (same like Betcoin.ag, Sportsbet.io, Playbetr.com) !!! You are forcing me (and other users) to leave you and place bets with another bookmaker!
Can you get the odds back on basketball like it used to? well, or make them the same as those of your competitors?
Please answer - you are no longer interested in accepting sports bets? Are you planning to make normal odds, no lower than your competitors?
all I can say about the Fortunejack bookmaker is its very high reliability! I have never had any problems with payments, and I keep up to 0.8BTC on my account and am not afraid to lose them.
But, when I have a choice where to bet 1.83-1.83 (fortunjack) or 1.9 - 1.9 (betcoin.ag ) - my choice is obvious! If you don’t change it back as it was, then I (and other players) will have to go to another bookmaker !!!
please return as it was before or do the same as your competitors! I do not want to leave...
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August 27, 2020, 09:24:30 AM |
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Fortunejack whats happen whith yuor hight odds on LIVE BASKETBALL ? when i start betting here. that was ods like 1.95-1.95 for live NBA and other top basketball matches! after change to 1.91 - 1.91 - its ok! it still good odds! and now 1.83 - 1.83 !!! for NBA Women realy!? why did you make it so low?
also before you had bonuses for those who bet on sports! now there is none of this !!! I don't want to go to another bookmaker! but odds like 1.83 - 1.83 are worse than any bookmaker using same platform (same like Betcoin.ag, Sportsbet.io, Playbetr.com) !!! You are forcing me (and other users) to leave you and place bets with another bookmaker!
Can you get the odds back on basketball like it used to? well, or make them the same as those of your competitors?
Please answer - you are no longer interested in accepting sports bets? Are you planning to make normal odds, no lower than your competitors?
all I can say about the Fortunejack bookmaker is its very high reliability! I have never had any problems with payments, and I keep up to 0.8BTC on my account and am not afraid to lose them.
But, when I have a choice where to bet 1.83-1.83 (fortunjack) or 1.9 - 1.9 (betcoin.ag ) - my choice is obvious! If you don’t change it back as it was, then I (and other players) will have to go to another bookmaker !!!
please return as it was before or do the same as your competitors! I do not want to leave...
? - 👋 @MishaYo, Thanks for providing the feedback. From time to time, we do update the odds, depending onto the market changes. As for now, they're regulated and standing still according to the current bookmaker's trends. Feel free to let me know if there's anything that I can guide you with - will gladly assist you.
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August 27, 2020, 12:10:27 PM |
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Can someone please help me?
I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.
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FortuneJack (OP)
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August 27, 2020, 01:48:47 PM |
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Can someone please help me?
I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.
- Hey @Winnie33 , After reviewing the case related to your account, our fraud department has found out that it violates FortuneJack's Terms and Conditions. Despite the fact of breaking the rules, we're ready to release the DEPOSIT amount back to your wallet. There's nothing to be done on our end. After the confirmation, we will have to terminate the user according to the existing policy, listed publicly onto the website.
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August 27, 2020, 01:55:55 PM |
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Can someone please help me?
I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.
- Hey @Winnie33 , After reviewing the case related to your account, our fraud department has found out that it violates FortuneJack's Terms and Conditions. Despite the fact of breaking the rules, we're ready to release the DEPOSIT amount back to your wallet. There's nothing to be done on our end. After the confirmation, we will have to terminate the user according to the existing policy, listed publicly onto the website. This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino.
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Hhampuz
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August 27, 2020, 01:58:00 PM |
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This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino.
I'm surprised you can even form comprehensive replies in this thread considering you are both blind and delusional.
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August 27, 2020, 02:00:42 PM |
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Can someone please help me?
I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.
Sorry that you had to experience this from this casino group. But if you look around they are known for making up excuses to void wins and they are known for stalling payment. I knew when they was trying to charge people to withdraw winnings this was a telltale sign to STOP depositing with them. I hope you get better from the CoronaVirus its a nasty disease and I have had family and friends to die from it. I for one will be boycotting this casino from here on out. Shame on Fortune Jack!
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August 27, 2020, 02:02:20 PM |
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This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino.
I'm surprised you can even form comprehensive replies in this thread considering you are both blind and delusional. The ignore button was made specially for people like you and I'm about to add you to it.
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Hhampuz
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August 27, 2020, 02:06:35 PM |
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This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino.
I'm surprised you can even form comprehensive replies in this thread considering you are both blind and delusional. The ignore button was made specially for people like you and I'm about to add you to it. So do it? lmao. Doesn't change the fact that you've been here for years twisting everything anyone ever says and made yourself out to look like an idiot.
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August 27, 2020, 02:51:03 PM |
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Can someone please help me?
I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.
- Hey @Winnie33 , After reviewing the case related to your account, our fraud department has found out that it violates FortuneJack's Terms and Conditions. Despite the fact of breaking the rules, we're ready to release the DEPOSIT amount back to your wallet. There's nothing to be done on our end. After the confirmation, we will have to terminate the user according to the existing policy, listed publicly onto the website. Check your inbox
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August 28, 2020, 01:26:42 AM |
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.
Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)? Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair?
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August 28, 2020, 04:01:09 AM |
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.
Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)? Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair? Yesterday I sent a personal message to FJ to inquire if the matter is closed from their end so I can make my final statement and whether they wanna stick to the statement that 'they still consider current Dice probably fair even though they are ready to change the implementation in next update'. To which I got the reply that they are still looking into the additional insights I provided in post number #8528 and will get back to me on 3rd September. Let's see what reply they come up with.
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slaman29
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August 28, 2020, 09:58:27 AM |
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Good work webtricks and DarkStar_ in bringing up these things. I know FJ are decent people, and believe they don't mean to do all these things, because even for us here in crypto (or myself anyway) it took me a while to understand what provably fair meant. But if we don't remind them, they'll forget. I have seen a few things here not answered and they're not generally so important but PF is a big issue for us. Let's wait and see.
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FortuneJack (OP)
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August 28, 2020, 02:41:35 PM |
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.
Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)? Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair? - @DarkStar_ Thanks for mentioning the unfortunate issue we made while updating the old layout of the FJ website. As for now, Adrenaline is removed from the Provably Fair category and will not be placed back to the same list unless the provider entirely updates it according to the PV standards. Once again, sorry for the inconvenience - we're always open for the suggestions and criticisms of the crypto gambling community, as it's the only place, FortuneJack, as the company plans to build the authority as well trustworthiness. Don't hesitate to continue exploring the ins and outs of the games, providers and the overall platform as a whole, so our team can continue building the products that the audience loves and enjoys playing with.
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August 28, 2020, 08:06:49 PM |
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.
Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)? Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair? @DarkStar_ Thanks for mentioning the unfortunate issue we made while updating the old layout of the FJ website. As for now, Adrenaline is removed from the Provably Fair category and will not be placed back to the same list unless the provider entirely updates it according to the PV standards. Once again, sorry for the inconvenience - we're always open for the suggestions and criticisms of the crypto gambling community, as it's the only place, FortuneJack, as the company plans to build the authority as well trustworthiness. Don't hesitate to continue exploring the ins and outs of the games, providers and the overall platform as a whole, so our team can continue building the products that the audience loves and enjoys playing with. Thanks for taking action  I hope it is actually fixed sooner than later. It shouldn't be too difficult to do, just copy the very good bustabit implementation that many other sites have used for that style of game.
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August 28, 2020, 08:28:51 PM |
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But if you look around they are known for making up excuses to void wins and they are known for stalling payment. I knew when they was trying to charge people to withdraw winnings this was a telltale sign to STOP depositing with them. I hope you get better from the CoronaVirus its a nasty disease and I have had family and friends to die from it. I for one will be boycotting this casino from here on out. Shame on Fortune Jack! Don't be so quick to believe everything people say. Just a few weeks earlier, there was a sportsbet.io incident where the user in question accusing the casino was actually breaking ToS with multiple accounts, admitting to it. Suppose I decide that I don't want to verify my ID and instead use a service, and then upon being caught I post on the forum, claiming that I am deaf and disabled. Does that justify the fact that I willingly provided fraudulent details? Remember: you have no assurance that the claims are valid. Have a little skepticism, will you? This is the crypto space.
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August 29, 2020, 12:16:08 PM |
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There could be different understandings of provably fair, I get that "provably" makes you understand that you want to see if it was provably fair or not as in prove the fairness, but if they didn't change anything whilst you are playing, it was provably fair we all agree with that.
The only thing you are not sure about with the current situation if they can check the seed they could actually play with the results while you are playing, which you can change your seed and interrupt but let's say you do not, they really have to be on top of every seed and make sure they know if you play one way or another as well. I see this as a very tiny fraction chance, however let's say even that is bothersome, they are working on fixing it as well, not like we can ask for more.
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August 29, 2020, 05:40:19 PM |
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There could be different understandings of provably fair, I get that "provably" makes you understand that you want to see if it was provably fair or not as in prove the fairness, but if they didn't change anything whilst you are playing, it was provably fair we all agree with that.
The only thing you are not sure about with the current situation if they can check the seed they could actually play with the results while you are playing, which you can change your seed and interrupt but let's say you do not, they really have to be on top of every seed and make sure they know if you play one way or another as well. I see this as a very tiny fraction chance, however let's say even that is bothersome, they are working on fixing it as well, not like we can ask for more.
You are seriously under-estimating the intensity of the issue. I have spent 7 months as a part of the Crypto Casino Development team. We had spent quite a time in studying various simulation techniques which could be used to harness the results in the favor of casino in long run. As we all know, humans are worst random generators. In long run, they tend to exhibit same pattern. Consider a typical gambler, if he plays Dice game daily, he is surely following a specific strategy. Casino will set a threshold, let say, 50K bets. Over 50K bets, casino only need to gather certain information about player's betting strategy such as how many times does he like to roll above 50 or below 50 (it can be any number depending on player's stategy) in single auto-betting session, how often does he change the pair of seeds. Just studying such details, casino can set a script for a particular player. If (player ID === N) { show hash of the server seed which when used with player's selected client seed generates result in favor of casino as per player's previous betting strategy with nonce from 0/1 to S in 55%+ cases } where S = average number of bets player makes in between changing seeds. If S is a number less than 5000 then even simple GPU laptop can generate such rigged server seed in less than a second as per the manipulated script. Just imagine, this small tweak will increase the house edge to 10+ percent!!
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