Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[Badonkadonk]

Just a curiosity, but what would happen if you bought one of these machines (the top end one), and took it back to 2009 with a time machine.  How many bitcoins would it mine a day?

21.000.000
and they would be worth 0,-

[Searing]

"This product will be available on 24/02/2014"

It's their choice not to include credit card payments as an option.

No, it is not their choice. They have tried, they were even taking orders by PayPal with a CC, but PP has changed its policy.

well then I take back lumping them in with the other asic mnfg folks sorry...probably due to BFL..so they likely got
lumped in with that backlash by paypal

anyway good to know they tired will re-consider ordering with this in mind

Searing

[bobsag3]

Both the Lancelots and the Bitfury boards are controlled through USB. I am thinking they will continue to use USB. I believe it provides more control for overclocking.

Nope. Ethernet only. The bitfury boards are also not controlled via USB... not sure where you got that from.

[Trongersoll]

Both the Lancelots and the Bitfury boards are controlled through USB. I am thinking they will continue to use USB. I believe it provides more control for overclocking.

Nope. Ethernet only. The bitfury boards are also not controlled via USB... not sure where you got that from.

I suspect that he is thinking Red/Blue Fury. Too many Fury names out there, confusing.

[Pistachio]

Both the Lancelots and the Bitfury boards are controlled through USB. I am thinking they will continue to use USB. I believe it provides more control for overclocking.

Nope. Ethernet only. The bitfury boards are also not controlled via USB... not sure where you got that from.

I suspect that he is thinking Red/Blue Fury. Too many Fury names out there, confusing.

My bad. I thought that I read that somewhere. I only have Lancelots; the BA bitfurys sold out pretty fast.

[Gator-hex]

Both the Lancelots and the Bitfury boards are controlled through USB. I am thinking they will continue to use USB. I believe it provides more control for overclocking.

Nope. Ethernet only. The bitfury boards are also not controlled via USB... not sure where you got that from.

http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=52&controller=product&id_lang=1

[bobsag3]

Both the Lancelots and the Bitfury boards are controlled through USB. I am thinking they will continue to use USB. I believe it provides more control for overclocking.

Nope. Ethernet only. The bitfury boards are also not controlled via USB... not sure where you got that from.

http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=52&controller=product&id_lang=1

And those are not BA Bitfury boards. Your point?
Your also arguing with someone that has ~100 boards... no usb anywhere to be found.

[Gator-hex]

Both the Lancelots and the Bitfury boards are controlled through USB. I am thinking they will continue to use USB. I believe it provides more control for overclocking.

Nope. Ethernet only. The bitfury boards are also not controlled via USB... not sure where you got that from.

http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=52&controller=product&id_lang=1

And those are not BA Bitfury boards. Your point?
Your also arguing with someone that has ~100 boards... no usb anywhere to be found.

I'm not trying to argue with you, just hinting you can get Bitfury chips on boards with USB that allow for overclocking, and that's where he got that from.

[dplusf]

@blackarrow your Specs for the prosperox-3 case says , but the Image render Shows 3u i think?

[Bogart]

i guess ill just have to buy a bunch off Ethernet to WiFi dongles...

How about one dongle and a switch?

[Unacceptable]

@Searing: quit spamming, it's annoying

sorry point taken...but would like to see other asic's do cc esp Blackarrow being that their shipping timeline is way out in I think march 2014

I'm with ya on CC or PP front Searing!!! I'll only buy with BTC IF the product is shipping NOW or MAYBE in a week or so.....................No more will I get bent over like I did with BFL & Avalon 

[bobsag3]

@Searing: quit spamming, it's annoying

sorry point taken...but would like to see other asic's do cc esp Blackarrow being that their shipping timeline is way out in I think march 2014

I'm with ya on CC or PP front Searing!!! I'll only buy with BTC IF the product is shipping NOW or MAYBE in a week or so.....................No more will I get bent over like I did with BFL & Avalon 

Just want to let you guys know I under stand yalls position. Completely valid points. But I am planning on flying out to meet them here in a few weeks, and then will be returning in febuary for launch (helping out, and getting all my units for my customers and I shipped out).

[Searing]

@Searing: quit spamming, it's annoying

sorry point taken...but would like to see other asic's do cc esp Blackarrow being that their shipping timeline is way out in I think march 2014

I'm with ya on CC or PP front Searing!!! I'll only buy with BTC IF the product is shipping NOW or MAYBE in a week or so.....................No more will I get bent over like I did with BFL & Avalon  

Just want to let you guys know I under stand yalls position. Completely valid points. But I am planning on flying out to meet them here in a few weeks, and then will be returning in febuary for launch (helping out, and getting all my units for my customers and I shipped out).

Let us know for all I know they have tried to get a credit card option perhaps kncminer can only get theirs because of close association with their already established chip partner....just saying....as if I have NO other basis to give them $$$ that is fine..but not gonna do it blind on a hope and a prayer like I did based off BFL's fancy lies and www site.

So let us know just need more facts I guess....kinda in the dark with a lot of these asic mnfg places

[bobsag3]

@Searing: quit spamming, it's annoying

sorry point taken...but would like to see other asic's do cc esp Blackarrow being that their shipping timeline is way out in I think march 2014

I'm with ya on CC or PP front Searing!!! I'll only buy with BTC IF the product is shipping NOW or MAYBE in a week or so.....................No more will I get bent over like I did with BFL & Avalon  

Just want to let you guys know I under stand yalls position. Completely valid points. But I am planning on flying out to meet them here in a few weeks, and then will be returning in febuary for launch (helping out, and getting all my units for my customers and I shipped out).

Let us know for all I know they have tried to get a credit card option perhaps kncminer can only get theirs because of close association with their already established chip partner....just saying....as if I have NO other basis to give them $$$ that is fine..but not gonna do it blind on a hope and a prayer like I did based off BFL's fancy lies and www site.

So let us know just need more facts I guess....kinda in the dark with a lot of these asic mnfg places

I saw A copy of the application HSBC (sp?)sent them for credit card processing ... and the requirements for it were on the order of needing 100k+ up front, and 5+% fees.

[Searing]

@Searing: quit spamming, it's annoying

sorry point taken...but would like to see other asic's do cc esp Blackarrow being that their shipping timeline is way out in I think march 2014

I'm with ya on CC or PP front Searing!!! I'll only buy with BTC IF the product is shipping NOW or MAYBE in a week or so.....................No more will I get bent over like I did with BFL & Avalon  

Just want to let you guys know I under stand yalls position. Completely valid points. But I am planning on flying out to meet them here in a few weeks, and then will be returning in febuary for launch (helping out, and getting all my units for my customers and I shipped out).

Let us know for all I know they have tried to get a credit card option perhaps kncminer can only get theirs because of close association with their already established chip partner....just saying....as if I have NO other basis to give them $$$ that is fine..but not gonna do it blind on a hope and a prayer like I did based off BFL's fancy lies and www site.

So let us know just need more facts I guess....kinda in the dark with a lot of these asic mnfg places

I saw A copy of the application HSBC (sp?)sent them for credit card processing ... and the requirements for it were on the order of needing 100k+ up front, and 5+% fees.

this may be a little off topic.......but if they did manage to pull off cc or paypal they'd probably imho triple their business in that KNC is out of stock and would jump their trust level up compared to other asic makers like BFL to new heights...imho they'd more then make up the 100k from the gain from other mnfg types like cointerra w/o a cc option.and again KNC is out of stock on everything till prob 2014...they'd kill ...just saying

[benjamin07]

@bobsag3: what is that $100k for?

Opening a credit card account to receive payments costs $10 per month + transaction fees which many charge back to the client anyway!
There is more cost in the swipe machine than in the account (costs start from $60 per month), which is also factored in the costs!

I don't get it.

Also, what's with that youtube movie on BFL homepage showing a bunch of employees assembling parts together. I'm not in the business but is this stuff rocket science to build? I don;t see them as Intel inventing microprocessors, it's a field programmable gate array which - supposedly - means you can get a hand held machine and download the algorithm into it!

If KNCminers are out of stock, then why would not they restock? what kind of business is so sad to run out of stock? I understand companies do their best to sell their products and start to worry when they sit on the shelf, like Microsoft with Surface 1 tablet which never sold out. I can't see Apple running out of stock on the iPhone and then sitting not doing anything until God knows what happens.

[Searing]

@bobsag3: what is that $100k for?

Opening a credit card account to receive payments costs $10 per month + transaction fees which many charge back to the client anyway!
There is more cost in the swipe machine than in the account (costs start from $60 per month), which is also factored in the costs!

I don't get it.

Also, what's with that youtube movie on BFL homepage showing a bunch of employees assembling parts together. I'm not in the business but is this stuff rocket science to build? I don;t see them as Intel inventing microprocessors, it's a field programmable gate array which - supposedly - means you can get a hand held machine and download the algorithm into it!

If KNCminers are out of stock, then why would not they restock? what kind of business is so sad to run out of stock? I understand companies do their best to sell their products and start to worry when they sit on the shelf, like Microsoft with Surface 1 tablet which never sold out. I can't see Apple running out of stock on the iPhone and then sitting not doing anything until God knows what happens.

that is a question are these guys gonna mine as well? KNC mines and has a "network protection statement" that if no one else is dumping product in mass on the market they will not do so either to protect the network because they mine and claim they want repeat customers who have made ROI on their equip (prob a bfl dig) I think it was no more then 5% of what they sell) actually I kinda like this idea places like BFL that only rely on equip sales and the will of their supplies as such don't seem to get stuff out if at all..

before I get off thread here I guess I should look at these guys www page on what they plan for the future and if they mine for backup income as well or are relying on investors and jsut equip sales a link please if something is better then their main site...they may have something similar to cover investment etc  after BFL poisoned the well...by taking coin and not shipping....a bad turn for black arrow and the rest ...BFL likely messed up paypal for all at least for a bit imho

anyway ....tough to be any asic mnfg these days with how nuts bitcoin is ...I mean why make equip ..just jump out and mine.


er got on blackarrow site seems like they are lowering prices ...anyway tempted....but then again conflicted (once burnt bfl don't ya know)

[Badonkadonk]

i guess ill just have to buy a bunch off Ethernet to WiFi dongles...

How about one dongle and a switch?

acctualy not a bad idea.
found the netgear wnce2001 cheap where i work, just need a nice switch now

[nosferatujeff]

Put 15k down on 3 Prosperos. Very much on philosophy with KNC Miner, which, I own a Jupiter.

[Gator-hex]

actually I kinda like this idea places like BFL that only rely on equip sales

I pretty sure they owned their own mining pool, I forget what it was called though.  

if no one else is dumping product in mass on the market they will not do so either to protect the network because they mine

It's actually bad for the network, that ASICs are mostly in the hands of the few, it's not decentralized, the only thing they are protecting is personal gain!

For the sake of Bitcoin decentralization alone I hope Black Arrow do deliver a mass market consumer product!