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Author Topic: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s  (Read 787811 times)
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December 09, 2013, 01:53:46 AM
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Updates straight from bobsag3 in Hong Kong visiting Black Arrow:

Can you say miner pr0n?   Cheesy

These are Prosperos - except prototypes running with Bitfury instead of Minion chips:

https://i.imgur.com/PZsSdoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X69NCBP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fw5qBvl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pSkWGPL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dO4kzm8.jpg

FPGA simulating the Minion ASIC hashing away: https://i.imgur.com/2pq0Fz7.jpg

Full album here: http://goo.gl/s9U6IX



In these pictures- ~40thash, #3 on BTCGuild
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December 09, 2013, 02:02:01 AM
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Prototypes eh?  I'd say they built a few more than were strictly necessary for prototyping purposes.

Do you suppose customers' preorder funds paid for those?

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December 09, 2013, 02:07:12 AM
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Prototypes eh?  I'd say they built a few more than were strictly necessary for prototyping purposes.

Do you suppose customers' preorder funds paid for those?

They arent prototypes, DZ mistyped. Those are customer's paid for BF boards.
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December 09, 2013, 02:11:35 AM
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Prototypes eh?  I'd say they built a few more than were strictly necessary for prototyping purposes.

Do you suppose customers' preorder funds paid for those?

They arent prototypes, DZ mistyped. Those are customer's paid for BF boards.

Yeah, sorry, my bad. Was excited too and got descriptions wrong.  Tongue

Fixed my OP.
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December 09, 2013, 02:53:25 AM
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Prototypes eh?  I'd say they built a few more than were strictly necessary for prototyping purposes.

Do you suppose customers' preorder funds paid for those?

They arent prototypes, DZ mistyped. Those are customer's paid for BF boards.

Ah.  I don't see those available for purchase in the web shop.

Are they awaiting shipment, or are they being hosted for said customers?

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December 09, 2013, 02:58:54 AM
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ANd tell me again how I can buy less than 10 X1s or Less than 20 Minions?Huh
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December 09, 2013, 03:35:06 AM
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ANd tell me again how I can buy less than 10 X1s or Less than 20 Minions?Huh
By purchasing from the US reseller http://minersource.net/

I am on your website now, going to place an order shortly.

Please check your spelling on the site.


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December 09, 2013, 08:36:39 AM
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Done with my second day of visiting... unfortunatly I head back to the US tomorrow, as the guys at BA have to head off to some very important meetings tonight. It was a pleasure to meet them, and I have another batch of pictures to upload.
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December 09, 2013, 09:04:07 AM
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Updates straight from bobsag3 in Hong Kong visiting Black Arrow:

Can you say miner pr0n?   Cheesy

These are Prosperos - except prototypes running with Bitfury instead of Minion chips: Bitfury boards:

https://i.imgur.com/PZsSdoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X69NCBP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fw5qBvl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pSkWGPL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dO4kzm8.jpg

FPGA simulating the Minion ASIC hashing away: https://i.imgur.com/2pq0Fz7.jpg

Full album here: http://goo.gl/s9U6IX



So nothing of the 28nm tech other than a FPGA simulator?

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December 09, 2013, 09:08:51 AM
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Updates straight from bobsag3 in Hong Kong visiting Black Arrow:

Can you say miner pr0n?   Cheesy

These are Prosperos - except prototypes running with Bitfury instead of Minion chips: Bitfury boards:

https://i.imgur.com/PZsSdoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X69NCBP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fw5qBvl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pSkWGPL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dO4kzm8.jpg

FPGA simulating the Minion ASIC hashing away: https://i.imgur.com/2pq0Fz7.jpg

Full album here: http://goo.gl/s9U6IX



So nothing of the 28nm tech other than a FPGA simulator?

What else would you expect? Its pretty public that the chip is still in development, and that they wont have the chips until Jan/Feb.
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December 09, 2013, 09:24:41 AM
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Updates straight from bobsag3 in Hong Kong visiting Black Arrow:

Can you say miner pr0n?   Cheesy

These are Prosperos - except prototypes running with Bitfury instead of Minion chips: Bitfury boards:

https://i.imgur.com/PZsSdoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X69NCBP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fw5qBvl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pSkWGPL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dO4kzm8.jpg

FPGA simulating the Minion ASIC hashing away: https://i.imgur.com/2pq0Fz7.jpg

Full album here: http://goo.gl/s9U6IX



So nothing of the 28nm tech other than a FPGA simulator?

What else would you expect? Its pretty public that the chip is still in development, and that they wont have the chips until Jan/Feb.

Wishful thinking on my part then Smiley Thanks for the pics

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December 09, 2013, 09:34:47 AM
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BlackArrow has a Bitfury mining farm.  Oh now I really believe they can deliver a working ASIC.  Certainly if you buy an ASIC miner that immediately gives you the ability to design one from scratch.

That's all the proof I need!  Lol. Roll Eyes
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December 09, 2013, 10:08:27 AM
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BlackArrow has a Bitfury mining farm.  Oh now I really believe they can deliver a working ASIC.  Certainly if you buy an ASIC miner that immediately gives you the ability to design one from scratch.

That's all the proof I need!  Lol. Roll Eyes

Not sure if sarcasm.
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December 09, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
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Ok, I placed an order with MinerSource for 2 X1's a couple of weeks ago, sent two emails since to the required address for payment details and still yet to Receive any info also Pm'd bobsag3 several times, was told in PM that it will be taken care of Post haste, never received any further information, all I have at the moment is the original email for the order with Matts email to send a request to for payment details. I give up on this waste of my time.
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December 09, 2013, 01:06:15 PM
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Ok, I placed an order with MinerSource for 2 X1's a couple of weeks ago, sent two emails since to the required address for payment details and still yet to Receive any info also Pm'd bobsag3 several times, was told in PM that it will be taken care of Post haste, never received any further information, all I have at the moment is the original email for the order with Matts email to send a request to for payment details. I give up on this waste of my time.

I haven't heard from anyone for a week now. Sad
Got 2 X3's @ $4,899.30
Now my order was screwed up and they both show @ 5,949.15 each with only $1,049.85 discount applied.
They already send me an invoice for 1st unit at correct price which was paid.
I just cant get the correct price and updated invoice on the 2nd unit.

Getting a little frustrated especially with all the BTC fluctuations lately on top of that.
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December 09, 2013, 02:22:34 PM
Last edit: December 09, 2013, 02:32:48 PM by Gator-hex
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Updates straight from bobsag3 in Hong Kong visiting Black Arrow:

Can you say miner pr0n?   Cheesy

These are Prosperos - except prototypes running with Bitfury instead of Minion chips: Bitfury boards:

https://i.imgur.com/PZsSdoo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/X69NCBP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fw5qBvl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pSkWGPL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dO4kzm8.jpg

FPGA simulating the Minion ASIC hashing away: https://i.imgur.com/2pq0Fz7.jpg

Full album here: http://goo.gl/s9U6IX



So nothing of the 28nm tech other than a FPGA simulator?

What else would you expect? Its pretty public that the chip is still in development, and that they wont have the chips until Jan/Feb.

Wishful thinking on my part then Smiley Thanks for the pics

bASIC built nice FPGAs but couldn't deliver an ASIC, so being Devils advocate here...
you could scam a pre-order by using customer funds to build/buy equipment to mine Bitcoins on until they demand a refund with hosting as a cover.
Did you check the company accounts to see where the customer funds are and if they really do have 70% of $5m needed to create an ASIC?
If I was putting my neck on the line, with US authorities, by going into business with someone from China I'd certainly want to see their accounts.
Thanks for the pics, and good luck everyone.

p.s. hosting ASICs will one day be the death of Bitcoin, it's not a decentralized network!

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December 09, 2013, 02:33:08 PM
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Ok, I placed an order with MinerSource for 2 X1's a couple of weeks ago, sent two emails since to the required address for payment details and still yet to Receive any info also Pm'd bobsag3 several times, was told in PM that it will be taken care of Post haste, never received any further information, all I have at the moment is the original email for the order with Matts email to send a request to for payment details. I give up on this waste of my time.

I haven't heard from anyone for a week now. Sad
Got 2 X3's @ $4,899.30
Now my order was screwed up and they both show @ 5,949.15 each with only $1,049.85 discount applied.
They already send me an invoice for 1st unit at correct price which was paid.
I just cant get the correct price and updated invoice on the 2nd unit.

Getting a little frustrated especially with all the BTC fluctuations lately on top of that.

I'm in the same boat, and starting to get frustrated myself especially because I'm in on this buy with 3 other friends.

I have 2 orders choosing BTC payment and took some time to get BTC payment address, BTC price is all over the place (plus not enough BTC to make payment) and now want to change to bank transfer and haven't heard from the in nearly a week.  I also remember that orders are valid for 15 days which for me is 15th day today.  If they can't handle support I wonder how they're going to go with actual filling orders and shipping. 

Are they going to be able to pull this off?
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December 09, 2013, 04:44:01 PM
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I have 2 orders choosing BTC payment and took some time to get BTC payment address, BTC price is all over the place (plus not enough BTC to make payment) and now want to change to bank transfer and haven't heard from the in nearly a week.  I also remember that orders are valid for 15 days which for me is 15th day today.  If they can't handle support I wonder how they're going to go with actual filling orders and shipping.  

Are they going to be able to pull this off?

Are you referring to BTC payment through the reseller, minersource?

I had zero problems ordering from them last tuesday...

If your bitcoin payment didn't show up within 24 hours (and you still haven't sent it) I'm pretty sure your best bet *** is to just make a new order. Might also be good to tell them about your previous order which never got paid & ask if you can keep your place in line (probably not, I think this sort of thing is typically based on pay date instead of order number)



*** Exact quote for policy as stated in email I recieved during BTC payment process on Tuesday, December 3rd, 2013

Quote from: Matt Carson <matt at symbol nospam antibot courtesy obfuscation minersource dot net>
In order to avoid any issues, please do not delay your payment for more than 24 hours. If you do delay and the BTC rate drops you will need to cover the difference. If the BTC rate raises after 24 hours and wish the total amount to be re-calculated you will need to cancel the order, lose your place in the queue and place a new order; however if you will not pay immediately you might end up in the same situation. We have this policy in place because recalculating invoices and tracing the BTC rates takes extra work and we wish to dedicate all our time to design our hardware, eliminate any inconveniences and delays.
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December 09, 2013, 04:57:16 PM
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so when did those bitfury boards go on sell from black arrow?  they are hosting for customers?

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December 09, 2013, 05:02:34 PM
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I have 2 orders choosing BTC payment and took some time to get BTC payment address, BTC price is all over the place (plus not enough BTC to make payment) and now want to change to bank transfer and haven't heard from the in nearly a week.  I also remember that orders are valid for 15 days which for me is 15th day today.  If they can't handle support I wonder how they're going to go with actual filling orders and shipping. 

Are they going to be able to pull this off?

Are you referring to BTC payment through the reseller, minersource?

I had zero problems ordering from them last tuesday...

If your bitcoin payment didn't show up within 24 hours (and you still haven't sent it) I'm pretty sure your best bet is to just make a new order. *** Might also be good to tell them about your previous order which never got paid & ask if you can keep your place in line (probably not, I think this sort of thing is typically based on pay date instead of order number)



*** Exact quote on policy as stated in email I recieved during BTC payment process on Tuesday, December 3rd, 2013

Quote from: Matt Carson <matt at symbol nospam antibot courtesy obfuscation minersource dot net>
In order to avoid any issues, please do not delay your payment for more than 24 hours. If you do delay and the BTC rate drops you will need to cover the difference. If the BTC rate raises after 24 hours and wish the total amount to be re-calculated you will need to cancel the order, lose your place in the queue and place a new order; however if you will not pay immediately you might end up in the same situation. We have this policy in place because recalculating invoices and tracing the BTC rates takes extra work and we wish to dedicate all our time to design our hardware, eliminate any inconveniences and delays.

No, I ordered through Black Arrow Software.
I'm pretty sure that you get placed in the cue after payment, so I'm not worried if I loose line place and accept placing of when payment is made.
But what I want to keep is the discount price, if I reorder now then I'll get new price without the same discount of when I ordered before.

If the replied emails or answered tickets and change my payment to bank transfer, I would paid already before the 15 day cancellation period expires.

thanks for the reply anyway kuzetsa, 

PS. Black Arrow seriously need to hire someone for their support team. 
Shit, they can afford to pay them in BTC as their mining farm is probably pulling close to 100 BTC a day. (as see in the pics posted previously)
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