Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[y_boonstra]

Another excuse, BA how lame!!



ugabuga, on 02 Sept 2014 - 6:44 PM, said:
 
I'm confused .... after all the "stuff that did not explode" after all, explodes ?
 
can someone explain?

.............................
 
 
On the hashboard there are no electrolytic capacitors. Everything is solid. They cannot explode with flame.
 
This 1500uF electrolytic capacitor ended on this board by mistake: We have added it while trying to debug the noise in the SPI and forgot to delete it from the BOM. By the time we got the backplanes they were already mounted. We did not think that it might be a problem and we were pushed by you (customer) to ship asap therefore we have not removed them. Removing them would have caused at least 1 day delay.
 
We also don't need the 470uF solid capacitors from the backplane.

That is ofcourse bullshit and they know it..
they have a huge problem on their hands cause the machine is CE certified. that means that if something happend house on fire, human electrocution and its caused by the BA miner they are responsible !!

Authorities would ask the TCD files of the miners. (Technicel Construction Dossier) if is not complete our the product did not pass certain test well you will loss your balls ....

it is absolutely bullshit.

so they had this cap that shouldn't have been on the BOM, but was.

and if they're not supposedly doing anything, why was there enough load on them to blow them and start a fire.

these guys are fucked.  these caps are likely indicative of another problem.  just putting bigger/different caps in the system doesn't solve the underlying issue of whatever caused these to fail.

are we supposed to believe that they over-rated every other part BUT the caps so we'll be fine as soon as they upgrade the caps?

BS.  this is more likely a design flaw that goes well beyond the caps.

Feel free to provide better design if you are so proficient, with analysis and free time. Why don't you get one and fix the issue? I love the people that can discuss a lot of things throw crap and stuff but cannot even make their home PC work.
Issue points only at one thing, that it has to be investigated beyond someone pointing a finger and saying "LOOK a problem!", it's like playing captain obvious.
Hope future of the technology does not depend on such people, that are able to make analysis and conclusions based on who knows what.

Good luck anyway.

LOL.

Iff you are working for BA, then you know nothing of the consequensess and laws surounding CE certification.

I am a electrical engineer and i also have to provide infromation regarding my disign woch includes calculations eg safty calculations / risk calculations etc etc.. so don't tell me what to  do or how to do it, im mearly informing ppl their rights !!

[eXOBeX]

It is a good thing there is no known issue with the x1s, right? Because the issue is with the x-3. Chevy has an issue with luminas, doesn't mean all chevy cars are screwed..?

Has anyone who got the X-1's inspected them for bloating caps yet probably not seeing how there should of been no reason too.

There are a few solid caps in the X1 itself, plus conventional (i.e. not solid) electrolytics in the X1 PSU that look to be half decent. There's a video here that shows what's inside. X1 caps visible at 23:49, X1 PSU caps at 28:47.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtxVxqPmN7k

[eXOBeX]

Quoted from "My X3 caught fire!!" on eCoin Talk.

Q: "Also, BA. Could you please have someone quote me to host this equipment in china?" -- cendav

A: "Hosting in China is difficult: the Chinese firewall cuts us off from the pool and the power is expensive" -- blackarrow


So hosted miners and rent-a-minion was just a lie then?

I'm guessing rent-a-minion customers will be sent BTC from the coins BA took from them as payment based on calculations of what X Gh/s would currently make on a pool.

Hey Captain, has anybody mentioned that your a filthy scumbag?

I imagine they're less inclined to host themselves now they know they're a legitimate threat to life (rather than just wallet & sanity) with the new improved self-combustion feature...

Essential kit for any BA mining rack: http://www.rackmountfireprotection.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=51

[alfabitcoin]

Cendav posted image.

http://imgur.com/8Oq1KWJ

Notice "ok" written on the board. Ok my ass!

[CryptoGuy]

Just a fyi. I just received a tracking number for my 3 X1's from Minersource. Order and paid date - 2013-12-13

How does it make you feel that I paid 12/25/13 and got my X1's a couple weeks ago? Psh, shipping order my ass.

[5craziest]

Someone please post this on ecointalk as well...

HAHA BA, your scrypt chip is already obsolete!
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3
3 watts at the wall same as yours, and $5 a MH!  They beat you before you even taped out!  Bitmain to the moon yet again while BA is left to wallow in their own cesspool of shit.

EDIT: And able to mine n-10, n-11, and n-12 lol BA your dead in the water

Do you really think they ever intended to produce a Scrypt miner?  I always figured it was pie in the sky

[sirsmokesalot]

Someone please post this on ecointalk as well...

HAHA BA, your scrypt chip is already obsolete!
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3
3 watts at the wall same as yours, and $5 a MH!  They beat you before you even taped out!  Bitmain to the moon yet again while BA is left to wallow in their own cesspool of shit.

EDIT: And able to mine n-10, n-11, and n-12 lol BA your dead in the water

Do you really think they ever intended to produce a Scrypt miner?  I always figured it was pie in the sky

I really can't imagine ANYONE being STUPID enough to invest with this company after this last debacle. Before this black arrow had a rather neutral reputation.

Not only did they delay the release 7 months and back out of the price matching guarantee they were so cocky about. Which is the same thing as compensation, they can call it what ever they want, that is hook that got people to order from them. Then you find out the hardware you order could potentially kill you. Their response; well that is what you get for rushing us, paraphrased of course. Rushing them to delay..?

Now they are asking for money to try again a second time? Either they learned how to not fuck a company up by pretending to be a company with our funds and they are going to be able to do it. Or it is really a scam. Does it even matter? The chip scene is very competitive and there are people, BITMAINTECH, who recognized you can make loads more money by delivering than you can scamming.

Scam thirsty my friends.

So no, i have no doubts in my mind that they scrypt asic is a scam as well.

[ElGrandJefe]

Someone please post this on ecointalk as well...

HAHA BA, your scrypt chip is already obsolete!
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3
3 watts at the wall same as yours, and $5 a MH!  They beat you before you even taped out!  Bitmain to the moon yet again while BA is left to wallow in their own cesspool of shit.

EDIT: And able to mine n-10, n-11, and n-12 lol BA your dead in the water

Do you really think they ever intended to produce a Scrypt miner?  I always figured it was pie in the sky

Are you kidding? They're doing Scrypt and 14nm! They're gonna tape out next week! And then they're gonna go home and have sex with their wife, Morgan Fairchild! Yeah, that's the ticket!

[danleuthner]

Cendav posted image.

http://imgur.com/8Oq1KWJ

Notice "ok" written on the board. Ok my ass!

can someone post a picture of what it should look like?

[heslo]

Oh thank god I jumped ship and took the chips to built by Marto, this is a joke! By the way you have to respect the guts of BA,
1. They miss they're ship date by 7 months
 2 they lie all the way through it
 3 they send an exploding product when they said they that one of the pro's of waiting 7 months past due is non exploding products
4 they blame YOU for RUSHING them!
Rushing them, oh come on now the original ship date was february guys.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Only difference for me was thank God I got a refund from Minersource.

Lucky you! I'm still waiting and get no response to my tickets

[Dallas5]

For those in Europe:

European consumers network

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/ecc/index_en.htm


Europe also has a RAPEX system with is integrated with China that is set up to notify people of dangerous products.

http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/archive/safety/rapex/rapex_china_en.htm

Someone in the EU will have to pick up the ball on this. get in touch with the consumers network and determine how to file a RAPEX alert.

Thanks, also use it to report Minersource since they refuse to send refunds and are breaking the law.

[Dallas5]

Oh thank god I jumped ship and took the chips to built by Marto, this is a joke! By the way you have to respect the guts of BA,
1. They miss they're ship date by 7 months
 2 they lie all the way through it
 3 they send an exploding product when they said they that one of the pro's of waiting 7 months past due is non exploding products
4 they blame YOU for RUSHING them!
Rushing them, oh come on now the original ship date was february guys.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Only difference for me was thank God I got a refund from Minersource.

Lucky you! I'm still waiting and get no response to my tickets

Indeed he's lucky a lot of customers including myself are still waiting for their money back from Minersource. I've never ever had such a bad customer experience.

[kelvinwong208]

Some one please ! Contact Some lawyer ! Sue them please ! I really exhauted now ! all means ! I have nothing now, and i have a big loan from my country bank... I going to kill my self now ! They have delete my post !

[heslo]

Oh thank god I jumped ship and took the chips to built by Marto, this is a joke! By the way you have to respect the guts of BA,
1. They miss they're ship date by 7 months
 2 they lie all the way through it
 3 they send an exploding product when they said they that one of the pro's of waiting 7 months past due is non exploding products
4 they blame YOU for RUSHING them!
Rushing them, oh come on now the original ship date was february guys.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Only difference for me was thank God I got a refund from Minersource.

Lucky you! I'm still waiting and get no response to my tickets

Indeed he's lucky a lot of customers including myself are still waiting for their money back from Minersource. I've never ever had such a bad customer experience.

You're right there! Scum of the earth, wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire

[btct22]

Yeah right.. lying thieves!!

[ChuckBuck]

Funny... I had 419 pages available, and now, 417 ! Someone is deleting posts !

Question, who is still expecting to get a compensation from BA ? It is just for statistical purposes...

Yes, they deleted a bunch of posts including mine.

Their scam knows no end, they have no moral compass.  Just lying, thieving conniving greedy bastards of an operation that shitted on the very customers that funded their long con.

Can't believe they have the gall to continue operations with their purported Scrypt Miner in May of 2015, after the X-1 and X-3 debacles.

In the end, I hope they get their comeuppance soon, it'll happen, I'm sure.  They'll get theirs somehow.

[ElGrandJefe]

You can keep deleting posts, you BA cockmonkeys, but we burned customers (monetarily and literally) won't rest until the authorities shut you down. It's too bad your criminal boss isn't Chinese and doesn't care about losing face, but I hope the rest of you are sufficiently ashamed of yourselves.

[musicmaker613]

Bobsag, Thomas, why have we not heard a statement from Minersource about this issue?  You have sold potentially dangerous products to customers in the U.S. and abroad.  I would think you would have something to say about this mess....

I'm preparing all necessary documents/sources to file complaints with relevant parties and agencies against Black Arrow and possibly its resellers.  I'm not pulling the trigger just yet, as I would prefer an outcome that is "mutually satisfactory" for all parties involved.  But months of delays followed by unsafe, untested products will not be tolerated by myself, and I can guaran-damn-tee the state and federal agencies charged with consumer protection won't stand for it either.

Also looking into sending "tips" in to a few well-established crypto-news sites, including Coindesk, regarding the current incidents with the X-3.  Those sites love doing stories about mining hardware setting stuff on fire.  And to be honest, the mining community and any future hardware owners should be made aware of the "quality" they get with some manufacturers.... and the resellers selling their products.

Edit:  Just going to leave this here....

http://www.coindesk.com/contact-us/

[eightcylinders]

Bobsag, Thomas, why have we not heard a statement from Minersource about this issue?  You have sold potentially dangerous products to customers in the U.S. and abroad.  I would think you would have something to say about this mess....

I'm preparing all necessary documents/sources to file complaints with relevant parties and agencies against Black Arrow and possibly its resellers.  I'm not pulling the trigger just yet, as I would prefer an outcome that is "mutually satisfactory" for all parties involved.  But months of delays followed by unsafe, untested products will not be tolerated by myself, and I can guaran-damn-tee the state and federal agencies charged with consumer protection won't stand for it either.

Also looking into sending "tips" in to a few well-established crypto-news sites, including Coindesk, regarding the current incidents with the X-3.  Those sites love doing stories about mining hardware setting stuff on fire.  And to be honest, the mining community and any future hardware owners should be made aware of the "quality" they get with some manufacturers.... and the resellers selling their products.

Edit:  Just going to leave this here....

http://www.coindesk.com/contact-us/

Ditto.  Bobsag/minersource we need a response and a firm plan or I cannot hold off on pursuing legal claims any longer

[CryptoGuy]

Quoted from "My X3 caught fire!!" on eCoin Talk.

Q: "Also, BA. Could you please have someone quote me to host this equipment in china?" -- cendav

A: "Hosting in China is difficult: the Chinese firewall cuts us off from the pool and the power is expensive" -- blackarrow


So hosted miners and rent-a-minion was just a lie then?

I'm guessing rent-a-minion customers will be sent BTC from the coins BA took from them as payment based on calculations of what X Gh/s would currently make on a pool.

Hey Captain, has anybody mentioned that your a filthy scumbag?

I imagine they're less inclined to host themselves now they know they're a legitimate threat to life (rather than just wallet & sanity) with the new improved self-combustion feature...

Giving it some more thought BA's statement is a problematic. I've seen pics of several Bitcoin data centres in China. Xbtec was showing off pics of theirs full of AM miners (they claim) for example. I've also seen pics from BA of their engineer kevin666 mining on ghash from inside China.

So what's going on? Is this just a bullshit excuse not to host for customers?

Perhaps it's just an easy to believe statement to lead customers away from the fact they're mining with our shit. Also do we know cendav isn't a shill? This provides BA with the excuse they need to keep mining with our shit and continue the delay until they've squeezed out every last Satoshi.

If cendav isn't a shill then sorry kid, you got robbed then mailed a fire bomb.

I'm starting to wonder about them mining with their own equipment, as it seems quite obvious that they have about a 30%+ failure/defect rate in the short term. Hard to believe you could build a farm out of such inferior equipment.


Talked to my friend at MicroCenter's distributor. He's having a meeting with his sales director to mention the possible ramifications of distributing stuff from a company that may be deeply involved in fraudulent behavior.

I wondered about the farm for about 2 seconds before I realized that the X1 and supposed X2 made from the X3 hashing boards have been functional for months now. Nothing stopping them from packing a bunch of those in there. After all, it would have been a waste of money to let their datacenter sit empty, X3 working or not.