Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[david105396]

China? HongKong? Reading home address?

Think he might take time out of his "busy schedule" to tell us what the hell is going on with OUR money that so FAR i have seen nothing but Lies and broken promises.

You are welcome to come visit. Saying so before hand might be a good idea as people are running all over the place most of the time. You can contact me if you like.

"Come visit" .. but doesn't say where. Brilliant.

As it is clearly posted on our website I did not think the address was needed, but here you go.

5A03, Building 1, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048

[ElGrandJefe]

What about the address you list on your invoices,
Black Arrow LTD
Room 1701, 17/F, Henan Building, No. 90-92 Jaffe Road
Wanchai, N/A

Is that just a mailbox?

[psyclone]

I was told I would be refunded for my X3 in Feb. 7 months later and I've heard nothing.

Me neither, i'm already looking for lawyers in their region because it's crystal clear that this is the only way I will get my X-3 Money back. It's not 100$ it's frikin' 6000

[psyclone]

So did I. I then requested a refund in April, which they approved, but asked me to wait until shipping started.

In August, after shipping had started, they said there would be no refunds.

Yet somehow we customers are to blame for keeping them busy with our complaints and making their sensitive engineers cry with our criticism.

Please, please report your case to the Hong Kong police, using the above link. Then the police will have one more complaint on top of the pile of others. And they will act on them.

Do it soon, before BA deletes another 50 pages of posts from this thread again.

Where is the Hong Kong police link ?

[ElGrandJefe]

   

Truth_Seeker, on 24 Sept 2014 - 7:20 PM, said:

    I suggest everyone makes a police report ASAP.

    Links:

    Hong Kong police cyber crime department because their corps are in Hong Kong

    https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php

    If you paid to a UK bank account, report it to UK Action Fraud

    http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

    The names you should mention in this case are  Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77

    The bank information of black arrow is as follows:

    Beneficiary company name: Destino LIMITED
    Beneficiary company address: Edwards Place, 240 Kings Road, Reading, RG1 4NY, United Kingdom
    Message to beneficiary: >>> fill in here your order number. For exampleOrder #3333 <<<
    Beneficiary bank name: Metro Bank
    Beneficiary bank address: 201 Broad Street Mall, Reading, RG 1 7QA, United Kingdom
    Beneficiary country: United Kingdom
    Swift code: MYMBGB2LXXX

    Please select your preferred currency on our website in order to obtain the total amount of your order and pay to one of these accounts:

    EUR Account Number: 13633018, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB31MYMB23058013633018
    USD Account number: 13633045, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB78MYMB23058013633045
    GBP Account Number: 13631317, Sort Code: 23-05-80, IBAN:GB77MYMB23058013631317

    I suggest everyone do this before they delete my post because this forum is owned by them!

The Hong Kong police are already investigating, but the more reports against BA, the better.

Report them now before they send you a worthless (or even dangerous) miner and then claim you gifted it to them if you refuse delivery.

[LoneStar43]

I also had a surprise last night. With no prior notice or tracking number my other two X1's arrived from Minersource. Ordered and paid for in mid December.

ROI on them is about 2 years. Guess its time to try to unload them or solo/solo-pool and try and get lucky.

[ElGrandJefe]

I also had a surprise last night. With no prior notice or tracking number my other two X1's arrived from Minersource. Ordered and paid for in mid December.

ROI on them is about 2 years. Guess its time to try to unload them or solo/solo-pool and try and get lucky.

You'd have to be really, really lucky. At 100GH/s your average generation time for a solo block is over 47-1/2 years.

Unfortunately, even your 2-year projection to break even is hopelessly optimistic - unless you have free electricity, your power costs will exceed your earnings after just a few more difficulty jumps.

BA has well and truly fucked us.

[psyclone]

The names you should mention in this case are  Daniel Andronic -> Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/daniel.andronic.77

Who is this person ? This man is not english, he's originating from Romania not UK. We must contact some lawyers as soon as possible, Do not give up on your money, because that's what they want

[psyclone]

A solution would be all of us to gather and discuss this somewhere else because here are eyes watching, and plan our next move. The more the better

[CryptoGuy]

It's definitely game over for BA now even if they do manage to pull out of this. The X1 can't compete with the new U3.

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020141017110427977rQGR3pcf06BE

[opieum2]

FYI it should be noted they are actually operating out of Shenzen.

B1607 Saige Building,
Shenzhen, China, 518000

AMT CEO Joshua Zipkin had mentioned this at one point and Gleb Gamow also connected the dots. It is likley the CEOs of the two companies are just mining with the hardware built seeing as I and others have exposed evidence of AMT doing the same thing. And chances are if BA is working with AMT, then all this is likely. Of course this is a self modded thread so I dont expect it to last. I suggest someone take it and quote it in a user thread or elsewhere. use web.archive.org as well to mirror it and point to anything incriminating.

[warrensgun]

out of the 6 x3 I have in hand - (note each is actually only 1TH per 3U), 4 are running fine, one doesn't see all the chips and one has a power supply that sparked and pop when first plugged in and now reads the fault/alarm light.  None of these are the ones that I pre-ordered from minersource --- that one still hasn't been received -- and one of the alleged co-foundered of minersource I found out left at the start of october.  What a bunch of crap this has been.

Fortunately BlackArrow claimed that if they released late then they would send additional hardware to compensate for the late release based on the current market.  So the good news is - every 1 x3 (2TH) should  get an extra 10 or 12 TH received according to their original agreements.  Or they should just man up, hike up the skirt, grab the chestnuts, liquidate and refund what's left.  It's clear that Black Arrow screwed the pooch on this one and might as well run for the hills.

[showtimex]

Finally received notice of shipment from MS last week, expecting my 5 X-3's to arrive on Monday. Supposedly they have fixed the power supply issue (yea right). Virtually impossible to get any info from MS at this point, they have seemingly all but shut down communications. I did speak with the former co-founder of MS (Dan) last week, and he did confirm he has left the company, claimed he was going back to school. Good idea, get out of the burning building while he still can. Still don't know what I'm going to do with this junk when it arrives, I suppose I'll try heating my house during the winter until it catches fire and inevitably murders my whole family, there's a Christmas present worth celebrating! So who's working on the class action already???

[Syke]

Finally received notice of shipment from MS last week, expecting my 5 X-3's to arrive on Monday. Supposedly they have fixed the power supply issue (yea right).

I'd guess they're simply pulling the green caps. Check when you get yours. Without any update from BA, I highly doubt that MS has new power supplies.

[showtimex]

Finally received notice of shipment from MS last week, expecting my 5 X-3's to arrive on Monday. Supposedly they have fixed the power supply issue (yea right). Virtually impossible to get any info from MS at this point, they have seemingly all but shut down communications. I did speak with the former co-founder of MS (Dan) last week, and he did confirm he has left the company, claimed he was going back to school. Good idea, get out of the burning building while he still can. Still don't know what I'm going to do with this junk when it arrives, I suppose I'll try heating my house during the winter until it catches fire and inevitably murders my whole family, there's a Christmas present worth celebrating! So who's working on the class action already???

At least they gave you notice. They unknowingly shipped my pile of shit (X1) to my door despite the 50 or so emails stating the contrary. Bunch of assholes, hope they go bankrupt

Are you mining with yours then? I have tried many many times to get a refund, but no dice. Figure can always join the class action later and try in vain to recover whatever scraps remain in the near future...here's hoping! These guys are done for...

[showtimex]

Has anyone tried refusing delivery and demanding something better from MS such as Spondoolies or equivalent ? I wonder if that is possible. Just getting burned so bad it hurts.

[showtimex]

No, I'm not mining with mine, plugged it in to test it works then boxed it back up again. Going to try to sell it to at least recoup some costs.

As for anyone refusing delivery... I would have done so but the missus was home at the time. The cheeky fuckers didn't send me a notice of shipment or even update it on my ticket obviously to catch me off guard. I know someone on here refused delivery and it caused a bit of a shitstorm from memory with legal threats from MS if my memory serves me right. Funny they only want to talk when it suits them

Wait, what? Legal threats from MS? That is laughable...It's hard to know the best thing for me to do in this case, I could very well refuse the whole shipment, 300lbs (60lb x 5) of miners bouncing back n forth from MS should make for good business @ UPS at least and would likely get MS's attention, hmmm decisions decisions.

[Dallas5]

Has anyone tried refusing delivery and demanding something better from MS such as Spondoolies or equivalent ? I wonder if that is possible. Just getting burned so bad it hurts.

I've refused the shipment last week, I wasn't expecting anything anymore from Minersource and suddenly someone tried to deliver the 2 X1's. Sad thing is my order was removed from the shipping queue months ago (cancelled) and I was promised a refund, which I never received.

I would be happy if they even refunded me half of what I paid by now..

I've tried to contact Minersource several times but they've been ignoring everybody for weeks now..

Good luck, hopefully BA and MS will do the right thing and start refunding their customers.

[Dallas5]

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Has anyone tried refusing delivery and demanding something better from MS such as Spondoolies or equivalent ? I wonder if that is possible. Just getting burned so bad it hurts.

I've refused the shipment last week, I wasn't expecting anything anymore from Minersource and suddenly someone tried to deliver the 2 X1's. Sad thing is my order was removed from the shipping queue months ago (cancelled) and I was promised a refund, which I never received.

I would be happy if they even refunded me half of what I paid by now..

I've tried to contact Minersource several times but they've been ignoring everybody for weeks now..

Good luck, hopefully BA and MS will do the right thing and start refunding their customers.

[showtimex]

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Has anyone tried refusing delivery and demanding something better from MS such as Spondoolies or equivalent ? I wonder if that is possible. Just getting burned so bad it hurts.

I've refused the shipment last week, I wasn't expecting anything anymore from Minersource and suddenly someone tried to deliver the 2 X1's. Sad thing is my order was removed from the shipping queue months ago (cancelled) and I was promised a refund, which I never received.

I would be happy if they even refunded me half of what I paid by now..

I've tried to contact Minersource several times but they've been ignoring everybody for weeks now..

Good luck, hopefully BA and MS will do the right thing and start refunding their customers.

Thanks for letting me know, I will be refusing delivery of my order today, anyone interested in going down to MS personally please get in touch with me, I am planning a trip out there. We can be like that guy camping out at Gox, wonder how they will like that shit.