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[Smartvirus]

I like it when the restricted providers are shaded, as you can see in the picture. This is not something that we can see in every casino, and in some of my previous comments, I wrote that this is a nice little thing that I like to see, I even explained why... small things mean a lot sometimes.

Anyway, I had some luck & won some monies... The withdrawal was approved & sent within 5 minutes, more or less. I guess we all like it when withdrawals are fast.

I superficially looked at the image you uploaded and almost missed it but, only after looking at it again, I saw what you meant. It kind of brings the detail into focus without making a lot of noise or being too loud. In contrast to showing an error message which might keep gamblers puzzled as to what the issue might be, the shaded note saves a lot of headache

5minutes isn’t a lot of time but, faster is still good though, it might depend on the base currency for withdrawal. That should play a role right.

[ryzaadit]

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Just like my guess.

So, most of the time is because of the restricted country of the provider. In some casino sometimes only show ERROR, and meanwhile some casino can give user a notification the country/IP are being restricted due the term & condition from provider.


In these case, some casino allowed user using VPN to bypass only provider restricted. However, you can double check and ask with betpanda support (can we bypass these with VPN or not).

[Wind_FURY]

Great ANN presentation op. Regional sponsor of Argentina is a pretty big deal. Are you the official representative of this site? If so, why didn't you write some important details regarding this site?

Coming to the site itself, I loved the UI and observed that y'all are advertising zero KYC, but that's tough to believe these days. Can you provide more clarity related to this topic?

Although that's true, if you deposit/withdraw and bet small amounts of Bitcoin/altcoins, the service will probably not be very uncompromising with your account. Plus that ls also making the presumption that you're not taking advantage of the casino bonus, and other promotions through the use multiple accounts.

But if you're a dishonest user, the admins will probably not ask you for I.D. and proof of residency, and lock you out of your account, with all the coins held in that account. You can keep your anonymity. The lesson is, BE A GOOD ACTOR/HONEST USER.

[Betpanda]

that's exactly the issue i'm pointing out. you are misleading players here.
in the ToS, you reserve the right to request KYC at any time for any reason, which is completely different from what you are claiming here.

We don’t believe this is misleading at all, considering that players who not engage in activities that breach the Terms and Conditions would not need to worry about KYCing.

Hence, all legitimate users shouldn’t need to worry about this.

okay, let's say a withdrawal won't trigger KYC. what about the part about "reaching a certain gambling threshold"?
can you define what kind of threshold you mean? because it's very vague to me, are we talking about the amount wagered, the amount lost, or the amount won?

However, we do agree that this could be clearer, and we have requested this to be checked and confirmed for us. As soon as we have an answer for you, we will let you know.

Ever is where they draw the line. Let’s not forget, it ain’t just a service but, a business. It’s important that they stay legal where ever they operate and put of those terms is that, they comply with the jurisdiction of where they function. Now, KYC becomes a needed document as a way to combat money laundering. When a casino or bookie becomes big enough, they seem to enforce this mostly because they are pressured by jurisdiction. It becomes some serious identifier for fishy situations from certain gamblers.

Certainly, there might be situations where it is imperative to identify a user who is doing something illicit, and this is what the room in the terms and conditions is reserved for.

BetPanda has a pretty interesting selection of providers... All41, AppartGaming, IMoon, Galaxsys, and many others are unknown to me. I haven't seen those providers before, but some work and some don't. I open the page with their games and I can see all the games they offer, but when I click on a slot or some game I get a message:

Have you checked your country restricted?

Potential your country is being restricted, or perhaps you can try to test on other casinos with the same license from betpanda. Mostly, these kind of things because your country is on the restricted list by the provider.
Early check, you can check on google "List restricted country by provider .....".

I encounter many provider that shows this kind of error message when using normal IP and refresh multiple times while I can access using a VPN on the first try. Although some provider takes time to load that result to this error too like when I’m playing some backseat gaming slot games.

I superficially looked at the image you uploaded and almost missed it but, only after looking at it again, I saw what you meant. It kind of brings the detail into focus without making a lot of noise or being too loud. In contrast to showing an error message which might keep gamblers puzzled as to what the issue might be, the shaded note saves a lot of headache

This could certainly be the most obvious reason, it is always good to check the rules for certain providers and the Terms and Conditions if certain game providers are restricted in your regions by the provider, not by us.

If the game is NOT restricted however and you still run into problems, please let us know here or via Support and we will certainly look into it.

But if you're a dishonest user, the admins will probably not ask you for I.D. and proof of residency, and lock you out of your account, with all the coins held in that account. You can keep your anonymity. The lesson is, BE A GOOD ACTOR/HONEST USER.

This certainly the best rule to abide by, we support this message!

Thank you again for the active conversation, keep it going and we will keep on providing you with insights

[Zwei]

Great ANN presentation op. Regional sponsor of Argentina is a pretty big deal. Are you the official representative of this site? If so, why didn't you write some important details regarding this site?

Coming to the site itself, I loved the UI and observed that y'all are advertising zero KYC, but that's tough to believe these days. Can you provide more clarity related to this topic?

Although that's true, if you deposit/withdraw and bet small amounts of Bitcoin/altcoins, the service will probably not be very uncompromising with your account. Plus that ls also making the presumption that you're not taking advantage of the casino bonus, and other promotions through the use multiple accounts.

But if you're a dishonest user, the admins will probably not ask you for I.D. and proof of residency, and lock you out of your account, with all the coins held in that account. You can keep your anonymity. The lesson is, BE A GOOD ACTOR/HONEST USER.

only if things worked like that and were that simple.

plenty of honest players get their funds confiscated or their wins voided under the pretense that they breached the terms of service, without providing any proof that they actually did.
and if not for places like casino.guru, askgamblers, or the scam accusations board on the forum, they would have never gotten their money back.

that's exactly the issue i'm pointing out. you are misleading players here.
in the ToS, you reserve the right to request KYC at any time for any reason, which is completely different from what you are claiming here.

We don’t believe this is misleading at all, considering that players who not engage in activities that breach the Terms and Conditions would not need to worry about KYCing.

Hence, all legitimate users shouldn’t need to worry about this.

i respectfully disagree with you on that, but this will be my last comment on this. i think i have made my point clear. everyone can make their own mind up on the matter.

okay, let's say a withdrawal won't trigger KYC. what about the part about "reaching a certain gambling threshold"?
can you define what kind of threshold you mean? because it's very vague to me, are we talking about the amount wagered, the amount lost, or the amount won?

However, we do agree that this could be clearer, and we have requested this to be checked and confirmed for us. As soon as we have an answer for you, we will let you know.

that's great to hear.

[iv4n]

I received a prize for the last Slot Competition, and I spent that $30 quite quickly... PopiPlay is an interesting provider and I tried several slots, but I had no luck winning anything. I will probably give them a few more tries and maybe I will get lucky and win some nice multi, by that I mean something over 1k.

Well, we have a few more days to score something nice for this week's competition... x200 doesn't sound high, but we have to be really lucky for that too!

[seoincorporation]

So, the casino doesn't ask for KYC until they detecta some kind of abuse on the user side, and I feel like this is a tricky move because even if we feel the casino is anonymous they can ask for our documents at any time.

Just think about the next scenario, we are playing with a vpn on a Black listed country, if they are KYC for X or Y, they will Block our account claiming that we can't play on their casino if our cretentials are from that forbiden country, the doesn't sounds nice at all.

[xLays]

I already received my €20 for 5th place prize. Since there’s a new multiplier contest, I gambled the prize as well. Good thing I hit X196, and there was another X100, so the €20 prize became €100 which I already withdrew. I received it within a minute like instant withdrawal NGL.

At another casino prize same contest, the highest multiplier I got was only X10, but that’s okay—it adds to the monthly wagering contest.

By the way, their Trustpilot review request keeps popping up. Is there a way to disable it?

[Ojima-ojo]

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Just like my guess.

So, most of the time is because of the restricted country of the provider. In some casino sometimes only show ERROR, and meanwhile some casino can give user a notification the country/IP are being restricted due the term & condition from provider.


In these case, some casino allowed user using VPN to bypass only provider restricted. However, you can double check and ask with betpanda support (can we bypass these with VPN or not).

error messages can eminate from various factors and notably the ones you mentioned could actually be the reason while some players recieve error message while trying to load the casino site, but then also we have not mentioned one other factor which is the use of VPN to access the casino.


Because some gamblers from restricted jurisdiction may optin to using vpn to access the site which ultimately have to demand for high data consumption and if the traffic is a kind of busy, VPN users are the first hit internet users and sometimes error messages become the response their get from the site, but other gamblers who may not be using VPN in same location may not receive such an error message and can play on the site freely.

[Baofeng]

I already received my €20 for 5th place prize. Since there’s a new multiplier contest, I gambled the prize as well. Good thing I hit X196, and there was another X100, so the €20 prize became €100 which I already withdrew. I received it within a minute like instant withdrawal NGL.

At another casino prize same contest, the highest multiplier I got was only X10, but that’s okay—it adds to the monthly wagering contest.

Congrats mate, I also joined their multiplier contest, deposit some today and hit a good X so hopefully I can stay in the top 5 and it will be my pleasure if I won and received the prize.

But for my winnings today, I immediately withdraw it though, just to get a feel on their withdrawal process and so it is smooth and it has options for you on what fees you want to select based on priorities.

And if by chance I won in the competition, I might go and gamble the price right away and joined the next multiplier contest. 

[Wind_FURY]

Great ANN presentation op. Regional sponsor of Argentina is a pretty big deal. Are you the official representative of this site? If so, why didn't you write some important details regarding this site?

Coming to the site itself, I loved the UI and observed that y'all are advertising zero KYC, but that's tough to believe these days. Can you provide more clarity related to this topic?

Although that's true, if you deposit/withdraw and bet small amounts of Bitcoin/altcoins, the service will probably not be very uncompromising with your account. Plus that ls also making the presumption that you're not taking advantage of the casino bonus, and other promotions through the use multiple accounts.

But if you're a dishonest user, the admins will probably not ask you for I.D. and proof of residency, and lock you out of your account, with all the coins held in that account. You can keep your anonymity. The lesson is, BE A GOOD ACTOR/HONEST USER.

only if things worked like that and were that simple.

plenty of honest players get their funds confiscated or their wins voided under the pretense that they breached the terms of service, without providing any proof that they actually did.

and if not for places like casino.guru, askgamblers, or the scam accusations board on the forum, they would have never gotten their money back.

If there's truly an actual accusation against the casino, then we as a community will fight together against those dishonest admins behind the casino. BUT there are two situations - The user takes advantage of the casino AND the casino takes advantage of the player. Both of these which are NOT good for the casino.

I believe that if the casino is truly "legit", then the admins behind them would like to have the best experience for ALL of their users. Good user experience = good reputation. Good reputation = more users.

[avp2306]

So, the casino doesn't ask for KYC until they detecta some kind of abuse on the user side, and I feel like this is a tricky move because even if we feel the casino is anonymous they can ask for our documents at any time.

Just think about the next scenario, we are playing with a vpn on a Black listed country, if they are KYC for X or Y, they will Block our account claiming that we can't play on their casino if our cretentials are from that forbiden country, the doesn't sounds nice at all.

Well I guess they already explain this situation and I think its now gamblers discretion to know what are those things needed upon signing up on the casino and they really need to read the TOS so that they would understand what they have written here.

I think much really better not to use any tools that can possibly trigger that since there's huge chance that they would ask KYC if they find something strange activity happening on your account.

We se this on other casino to and better for people to follow all the rules so that they will never get any problems with them.

[notocactus]

I think much really better not to use any tools that can possibly trigger that since there's huge chance that they would ask KYC if they find something strange activity happening on your account.

We se this on other casino to and better for people to follow all the rules so that they will never get any problems with them.

If they allow users to use tools like gambling bots, it is not logical if they simply accuse against their users by bot usage.

They must need more indicators to trigger an investigation on one account, like suspicious activities, possible cheating, and can not use bot usage as the only one or main reason of cheating accusation on their platform. Because you are experienced, I believe you know that in many scam accusations from community, later were proven as invalid scam accusations, because casinos provide more information and shown that those users actually had bad and intolerable activities.

How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

[Smartvirus]

I think much really better not to use any tools that can possibly trigger that since there's huge chance that they would ask KYC if they find something strange activity happening on your account.

We se this on other casino to and better for people to follow all the rules so that they will never get any problems with them.

If they allow users to use tools like gambling bots, it is not logical if they simply accuse against their users by bot usage.

They must need more indicators to trigger an investigation on one account, like suspicious activities, possible cheating, and cannot use bot usage as the only one or main reason of cheating accusation on their platform.

I did come across a thread that talked about how to use AI in the gambling industry in such a way that could be attributed to cheating. This applies mainly to the bookies in such a way that, the bot is meant to leverage the time it takes to upload or update realtime results in placing bets.

The theory is; if the bet having discovered a yet to be updated event could quickly place a bet on it, seconds or milliseconds before the event is updated in real time, you could end up having won the bet.
Now chances is that, these would not happen as, gambling sites normally restricts you from placing bets at least 30seconds before an event even occurs from their markets and that’s from personal observation.

Now, in such a case as in the theory, wouldn’t it be okay to investigate as regards to timing and occurrence to be bot related and use in a malicious manner? Sometimes, gamblers really creates their own problems.

[Wiwo]

I think much really better not to use any tools that can possibly trigger that since there's huge chance that they would ask KYC if they find something strange activity happening on your account.

We se this on other casino to and better for people to follow all the rules so that they will never get any problems with them.

If they allow users to use tools like gambling bots, it is not logical if they simply accuse against their users by bot usage.

They must need more indicators to trigger an investigation on one account, like suspicious activities, possible cheating, and cannot use bot usage as the only one or main reason of cheating accusation on their platform.

I did come across a thread that talked about how to use AI in the gambling industry in such a way that could be attributed to cheating. This applies mainly to the bookies in such a way that, the bot is meant to leverage the time it takes to upload or update realtime results in placing bets.

The theory is; if the bet having discovered a yet to be updated event could quickly place a bet on it, seconds or milliseconds before the event is updated in real time, you could end up having won the bet.
Now chances is that, these would not happen as, gambling sites normally restricts you from placing bets at least 30seconds before an event even occurs from their markets and that’s from personal observation.

Now, in such a case as in the theory, wouldn’t it be okay to investigate as regards to timing and occurrence to be bot related and use in a malicious manner? Sometimes, gamblers really creates their own problems.

Gambling is one industry that has advanced tools, this is in a way that, is very hard for a casino to get manipulated on most especially when it comes to the games and the process of determining the winner of such a game, this is why, bots and other manipulating tools are bot popular in casinos and we haven't hard cases of the usage of the bot to cheat the casino and games process, bookies are always ahead of their games and for sure there have put in place anti-cheating or anti bots machenism to detect and ban any bot activities on their sites.

Smartvirus well is possible to have such theories and approaches to cheat the casino with the help of bots, but the bigger question is how far can that go and what is the likelihood of any tool like a bot having influenced the game processor and going unnoticed, I think is very rear and almost nonexistent.

[Smartvirus]

Smartvirus well is possible to have such theories and approaches to cheat the casino with the help of bots, but the bigger question is how far can that go and what is the likelihood of any tool like a bot having influenced the game processor and going unnoticed, I think is very rear and almost nonexistent.

That’s it, none existent as it’s not going to happen ever, given the resources available to gambling sites and even in the event that such were to exists and be used, you aren’t going to cash out such bet for sure. The game offerers and site would always catch up to you.

Bots might have had broken into gambling by working on signals and trading on your behalf based on news which is cool, it ain’t the same for gambling without constituting problems.
Gambling have got such rules that even prohibits repeated bets on same events and that’s about how far you could get using bots to gamble. All might get cancelled in the end with the exception of your first placed bet.

Another use of bots in the gambling industry is in analysis and predictions based on available statistics and history. You wouldn’t get into trouble with these as they don’t cheat the system but, leaves with with possibilities for decision making.

[Kemarit]

I think much really better not to use any tools that can possibly trigger that since there's huge chance that they would ask KYC if they find something strange activity happening on your account.

We se this on other casino to and better for people to follow all the rules so that they will never get any problems with them.

If they allow users to use tools like gambling bots, it is not logical if they simply accuse against their users by bot usage.

They must need more indicators to trigger an investigation on one account, like suspicious activities, possible cheating, and can not use bot usage as the only one or main reason of cheating accusation on their platform. Because you are experienced, I believe you know that in many scam accusations from community, later were proven as invalid scam accusations, because casinos provide more information and shown that those users actually had bad and intolerable activities.

How high is the probability of accusations vs. casinos in BitcoinTalk are true?

I don't know though, as there really gamblers who uses gambling bots here? I mean it is really that easy for them to get their hands on this kind of bots? I know that someone can really developed it for themselves and even without coding experience, they might made one. However, my question is are they willing to spend time on that instead of just using their experience like in sports betting?

And for sure they will know the consequences of it as it could trigger the fraud department of a casino that something is not right on this account or something has chance in his betting pattern that he could be "cheating". So burden is still with casinos, to be able to find this supposedly individuals. But if ever I have the abilities to develop such bot, I will not do it, IMHO.

[SamReomo]

Another use of bots in the gambling industry is in analysis and predictions based on available statistics and history. You wouldn’t get into trouble with these as they don’t cheat the system but, leaves with with possibilities for decision making.

Well, I also agree that sometimes in some cases bots can good good analysis based on available data but it's still always best to use those to make your own predictions and not heavily rely on the predictions that they generate based on previous matches data.

I took some help from AI bots a few months back to test how reliable their prediction is and to be honest it was really bad.

I lost some bets only because I trusted those bots but it was basically a test to see if such predictions work or not, however I must say the bets were done with real money. Although, I didn't lose a lot but still I got an idea that relying purely on those bots is not the way to go.

[Wind_FURY]

So, the casino doesn't ask for KYC until they detecta some kind of abuse on the user side, and I feel like this is a tricky move because even if we feel the casino is anonymous they can ask for our documents at any time.

Just think about the next scenario, we are playing with a vpn on a Black listed country, if they are KYC for X or Y, they will Block our account claiming that we can't play on their casino if our cretentials are from that forbiden country, the doesn't sounds nice at all.

Well I guess they already explain this situation and I think its now gamblers discretion to know what are those things needed upon signing up on the casino and they really need to read the TOS so that they would understand what they have written here.

I think much really better not to use any tools that can possibly trigger that since there's huge chance that they would ask KYC if they find something strange activity happening on your account.

We se this on other casino to and better for people to follow all the rules so that they will never get any problems with them.

I'm a mere pleb crypto casino user who enjoys testing different strategies in Craps, and perhaps or sometimes, win a little Bitcoin. I'm the sort of user that an anonymous casino like BetPanda needs, plus because I gamble with mere pleb amounts of Bitcoin, I'm the sort of user that doesn't want to go through KYC because why? Give up my I.D. for a $100 Dollar deposit?

Laughable.

If you're playing with pleb amounts of money, and your casino wants you to go through KYC, then I believe it's time for you to leave that casino.

[TravelMug]

Another use of bots in the gambling industry is in analysis and predictions based on available statistics and history. You wouldn’t get into trouble with these as they don’t cheat the system but, leaves with with possibilities for decision making.

Well, I also agree that sometimes in some cases bots can good good analysis based on available data but it's still always best to use those to make your own predictions and not heavily rely on the predictions that they generate based on previous matches data.

I took some help from AI bots a few months back to test how reliable their prediction is and to be honest it was really bad.

I lost some bets only because I trusted those bots but it was basically a test to see if such predictions work or not, however I must say the bets were done with real money. Although, I didn't lose a lot but still I got an idea that relying purely on those bots is not the way to go.

Ok good, I also have this idea to use bots to make some sports betting, a sport that I now nothing about. However, even as highly advance this bots are, based on your experienced, we are still going to lose money.

So with that, I will not go and experiment with this one, I would rather bet on the sports that I know, based on my intuition and knowledge and then play on some luck base games. At least, if I lost some money, I will still have that fun inside of me and maybe help me gain experienced. So thanks for sharing your own experience with bots.