Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[notindexed]

I received my order confirmation (.pdf by email) yesterday!

besides this good news, could some Black Arrow official that lurks these boards answer my concerns regarding CE certification here:

Dear Bitcoinenthusiasts and Black Arrow representives,

Could you confirm that your Prosperos are CE certified (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking)?

I'm asking this as i'm from Eu and as certainly alot of EU ppl preordered BA miners.
However electronic stuff from abroad needs the silly CE certification to pass EU customs.
I once ordered some audiohardware in China and it got held at customs and returned to manufacturer due to the lack of CE certification.

If the devices lack that CE shiznit then you can expect at least a third (lets throw in some unbacked random number) of your EU customers never receiving their devices ;_;

If you didn't think/care about CE certification, could you kindly visit some local market and buy a batch of CE stickers and slap em on the devices b4 shipping?


Many thanks an a wonderful week!

PS. Declaring the miners as gifts and adding some bogus 10$ price receipt to the parcels would speedup things too ;3

Many thanks!

[TerraHasher]

Well, all i can say is thank god for ebay, i just found 2 of the x-3's with earlier order earlier order numbers that hopefully i can pick up for a lot less than full retail. what a great christmas present to myself. 

[Stedsm]

I received my order confirmation (.pdf by email) yesterday!

besides this good news, could some Black Arrow official that lurks these boards answer my concerns regarding CE certification here:

Dear Bitcoinenthusiasts and Black Arrow representives,

Could you confirm that your Prosperos are CE certified (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking)?

I'm asking this as i'm from Eu and as certainly alot of EU ppl preordered BA miners.
However electronic stuff from abroad needs the silly CE certification to pass EU customs.
I once ordered some audiohardware in China and it got held at customs and returned to manufacturer due to the lack of CE certification.

If the devices lack that CE shiznit then you can expect at least a third (lets throw in some unbacked random number) of your EU customers never receiving their devices ;_;

If you didn't think/care about CE certification, could you kindly visit some local market and buy a batch of CE stickers and slap em on the devices b4 shipping?


Many thanks an a wonderful week!





PS. Declaring the miners as gifts and adding some bogus 10$ price receipt to the parcels would speedup things too ;3

Many thanks!

Yes,they are. The question is answered in the BA forums.

[Stedsm]

Well, all i can say is thank god for ebay, i just found 2 of the x-3's with earlier order earlier order numbers that hopefully i can pick up for a lot less than full retail. what a great christmas present to myself. 

Good luck with that Keep in mind that the order number has little to do with delivery date,I could place an order today and get a number but not pay for 15 days then be put in the delivery list,others who order after me but paid sooner would be ahead of me on delivery but have higher numbers. You are betting that this is all legit,that his orders are in the Feb delivery batch and you will have a winning bid and they are already over the BA discount price. Even if this is all legit the X-3 must be going to the seller first then reshipped to you as there was no way he could know any other shipping address at the time he ordered,so you wouldn't get the units until sometime in Mar anyway. Seems like you would pay more and get them later than just going through the BA or US reseller.

[MANofthePEOPLE]

Well, all i can say is thank god for ebay, i just found 2 of the x-3's with earlier order earlier order numbers that hopefully i can pick up for a lot less than full retail. what a great christmas present to myself.  

Good luck with that Keep in mind that the order number has little to do with delivery date,I could place an order today and get a number but not pay for 15 days then be put in the delivery list,others who order after me but paid sooner would be ahead of me on delivery but have higher numbers. You are betting that this is all legit,that his orders are in the Feb delivery batch and you will have a winning bid and they are already over the BA discount price. Even if this is all legit the X-3 must be going to the seller first then reshipped to you as there was no way he could know any other shipping address at the time he ordered,so you wouldn't get the units until sometime in Mar anyway. Seems like you would pay more and get them later than just going through the BA or US reseller.

Are you sure about that I ordered 14th but my money still haven't cleared. So if what you are saying is true is people who sent wires when it still said 24th feb would get on the march shipment and people who paid with bitcoins later would get on the early one.

I think (and hope) you are wrong

[zurg]

"In theory the ASICs could be overclocked up to 128 Ghash/second but we cannot guarantee this until thorough testing. This would raise the speed up to 2560 Ghash/second but will increase the power dramatically which will not be supported by the supplied PSU."

Maybe BA should have an option lets say for a $100 (or whatever the cost is) more add a 1500W PS? (just an example!)
Instead of 1000W one?

Or, what are the thoughts on this?

[slicko]

"In theory the ASICs could be overclocked up to 128 Ghash/second but we cannot guarantee this until thorough testing. This would raise the speed up to 2560 Ghash/second but will increase the power dramatically which will not be supported by the supplied PSU."

Maybe BA should have an option lets say for a $100 (or whatever the cost is) more add a 1500W PS? (just an example!)
Instead of 1000W one?

Or, what are the thoughts on this?

there will be such an option for hosted units, further information on this should be released soon. had a talk with blackarrow

[Xian01]

Did order via BA website, sent wire transfer on December 11th, still no updates from BA.. opened ticket week ago, alas, no motion except it seems ticket was deleted from the system.
Overall this is very upsetting.

I'm rather unsettled with the untimeliness of their communication myself. Have been waiting for a while to resolve an order issue that is stuck in a customer service morass.

Something doesn't feel right with this operation right now It has certainly caused a red flag to be raised based on my experiences thus far

It should not take over 22 days to resolve an order.

They have a great infrastructure to take customer money quickly, but a poor one in resolving order issues in an expeditious manner based on what I've encountered so far.

[darcimer]

Does anyone know if the X3s are/will be capable of being upgraded?
I see minions are on sale, is that only for custom set ups?

[bobsag3]

Did order via BA website, sent wire transfer on December 11th, still no updates from BA.. opened ticket week ago, alas, no motion except it seems ticket was deleted from the system.
Overall this is very upsetting.

I'm rather unsettled with the untimeliness of their communication myself. Have been waiting for a while to resolve an order issue that is stuck in a customer service morass.

Something doesn't feel right with this operation right now It has certainly caused a red flag to be raised based on my experiences thus far

It should not take over 22 days to resolve an order.

They have a great infrastructure to take customer money quickly, but a poor one in resolving order issues in an expeditious manner based on what I've encountered so far.

Could have ordered from me and saved the trouble

Hopefully we get this resolved, but according to bobsag, he does not have the wire transfer that I sent on the 16th.  Apparently there is one from the same bank for the same amount on the right day, but it has a different name on it. This is very troublesome to me as I printed off the page from the minersource website and brought it to the bank when I did the wire, and my online statements shows a transfer to them for that amount.  Hopefully we get this resolved, as I said its troublesome because it is a lot of money that by the sounds of it was transferred to no where.
Hopefully this is getting looked into, I know I will be at my bank Thursday morning to get this resolved. My concern is that even though this was ordered before the date change, and I paid, I am not sure I will get the first day delivery because of this issue, which doesn't make it worth it to get these units.  Still have not heard anything either way as to when that order would be shipped when it is resolved.

Any upaid pending wire orders will have their order placed in the Q based on when the order was places, as long as the wire was sent within 48 hours. So you and the other who have pending wires all are taken care of.

[Xian01]

Could have ordered from me and saved the trouble

 Hindsight being what it is, it's too late to order a first batch through you for delivery by end of February

[JT-KGY]

For those that bought from minersource.net from within US and BankOfAmerica...
How did you wire your payment to minersource.net?  Can't seems to do it online
and online bofa rep can't seems to help me.

BofA kept asking me to do "account to account" transfer...

Thanks!

[Stedsm]

Well, all i can say is thank god for ebay, i just found 2 of the x-3's with earlier order earlier order numbers that hopefully i can pick up for a lot less than full retail. what a great christmas present to myself.  

Good luck with that Keep in mind that the order number has little to do with delivery date,I could place an order today and get a number but not pay for 15 days then be put in the delivery list,others who order after me but paid sooner would be ahead of me on delivery but have higher numbers. You are betting that this is all legit,that his orders are in the Feb delivery batch and you will have a winning bid and they are already over the BA discount price. Even if this is all legit the X-3 must be going to the seller first then reshipped to you as there was no way he could know any other shipping address at the time he ordered,so you wouldn't get the units until sometime in Mar anyway. Seems like you would pay more and get them later than just going through the BA or US reseller.

Are you sure about that I ordered 14th but my money still haven't cleared. So if what you are saying is true is people who sent wires when it still said 24th feb would get on the march shipment and people who paid with bitcoins later would get on the early one.

I think (and hope) you are wrong

My post was more about the risk of buying a pre order off Ebay from a third party thinking you will get it quicker or better deal.  The point I was making about payments was if I order on the 10th but don't send a wire until the 17th,you order on the 11th send a wire on the 12th,when our orders are processed you will be ahead of me on the delivery list because you paid first regardless of order number. In reality it won't make much difference as all the orders will go out within a few days of each other anyway and whether or not an order opted for hosting .

[astronomino]

What about your cloud mining offering? When can we expect those to start working?
The website says "starting March 2014". It has said that for a while now, even back when the X1 and X3 were "end of February".
Are these cloud mining offerings part of the same queue as the X1 and X3: as in you go by the payment date and if it's an X1/3 you ship it, if its a cloud miner you mount and start it?
I've also seen a few people mention a "hosting option" for X1 and X3 which seems to be different than the cloud mining offering (because you get to own rather than rent the equipment) - this isn't described on the website, is it still available?
Thank you for your time.

Can anyone answer this?

[Stedsm]

What about your cloud mining offering? When can we expect those to start working?
The website says "starting March 2014". It has said that for a while now, even back when the X1 and X3 were "end of February".
Are these cloud mining offerings part of the same queue as the X1 and X3: as in you go by the payment date and if it's an X1/3 you ship it, if its a cloud miner you mount and start it?
I've also seen a few people mention a "hosting option" for X1 and X3 which seems to be different than the cloud mining offering (because you get to own rather than rent the equipment) - this isn't described on the website, is it still available?
Thank you for your time.

Can anyone answer this?

I can answer the "hosting option" part,this is for the X-3 on the BA site there is a drop down menu when you place an order,you can choose 5 days free or the 4/6/12 month packages. Many have chosen the 5 days free,you get a tested and proven unit when it's shipped and it has likely made you $1000  more/less before being shipped. it would really suck to get a unit that had an issue of some sort that needed parts or returned for repair/replacement.

[jimmothy]

What about your cloud mining offering? When can we expect those to start working?
The website says "starting March 2014". It has said that for a while now, even back when the X1 and X3 were "end of February".
Are these cloud mining offerings part of the same queue as the X1 and X3: as in you go by the payment date and if it's an X1/3 you ship it, if its a cloud miner you mount and start it?
I've also seen a few people mention a "hosting option" for X1 and X3 which seems to be different than the cloud mining offering (because you get to own rather than rent the equipment) - this isn't described on the website, is it still available?
Thank you for your time.

Can anyone answer this?

I believe cloud hosting means you own a certain amount of hashing power and hosting means you own the actual device but someone else is running it for you. Cloud mining should probably be available sooner than you would receive a shipped asic or hosting.

It would be nice to have clarification about the cloud mining service.

[Ozymandias]

So has BA decided if they were doing 28nm or 20nm?

[astronomino]

What about your cloud mining offering? When can we expect those to start working?
The website says "starting March 2014". It has said that for a while now, even back when the X1 and X3 were "end of February".
Are these cloud mining offerings part of the same queue as the X1 and X3: as in you go by the payment date and if it's an X1/3 you ship it, if its a cloud miner you mount and start it?
I've also seen a few people mention a "hosting option" for X1 and X3 which seems to be different than the cloud mining offering (because you get to own rather than rent the equipment) - this isn't described on the website, is it still available?
Thank you for your time.

Can anyone answer this?

I believe cloud hosting means you own a certain amount of hashing power and hosting means you own the actual device but someone else is running it for you. Cloud mining should probably be available sooner than you would receive a shipped asic or hosting.

It would be nice to have clarification about the cloud mining service.

I'm more interested in the start time of the cloud mining compared to the shipping time of the X3's
What they do is pretty obvious - you rent 1TH/s for 4 or 6 months then it's over, you don't get to keep any hardware. I believe you even get to choose the pool to mine at.
The price for 6 months hosting per TH is roughly equivalent to the price per TH of the X3. But you don't have to pay customs (which in my case would be 13% of the product's value), no electricity costs, no monitoring the thing, no lost revenue while shipping or if the unit is damaged on arrival. And I assume after 6 months X3's are more than likely obsolete and their resale value at that point might not cover the previously mentioned costs. Depending on how fast difficulty rises the cheaper 4 month cloud rental might be the best bang for the buck Black Arrow has to offer, but at least in my mind the 6 month cloud rental is almost certainly better than buying an X3. Might be different if customs can be avoided and you don't pay for electricity, but even then, the shipping time can still get you. Of course this entire analysis hinges on the cloud offering starting the same time as X3 shipping...

[mtbitcoin]

So has BA decided if they were doing 28nm or 20nm?

28nm for now..

[dracore]

I'm more interested in the start time of the cloud mining compared to the shipping time of the X3's
What they do is pretty obvious - you rent 1TH/s for 4 or 6 months then it's over, you don't get to keep any hardware. I believe you even get to choose the pool to mine at.
The price for 6 months hosting per TH is roughly equivalent to the price per TH of the X3. But you don't have to pay customs (which in my case would be 13% of the product's value), no electricity costs, no monitoring the thing, no lost revenue while shipping or if the unit is damaged on arrival. And I assume after 6 months X3's are more than likely obsolete and their resale value at that point might not cover the previously mentioned costs. Depending on how fast difficulty rises the cheaper 4 month cloud rental might be the best bang for the buck Black Arrow has to offer, but at least in my mind the 6 month cloud rental is almost certainly better than buying an X3. Might be different if customs can be avoided and you don't pay for electricity, but even then, the shipping time can still get you. Of course this entire analysis hinges on the cloud offering starting the same time as X3 shipping...

I agree with what you're saying here.  Also, having it hosted means that you don't need to deal with the noise and heat from the unit.  An estimate seems to show that by the end of the 6 months, the unit will be pulling in roughly 0.16 BTC/day.