Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[erk]

Stop pre-ordering!  Break your addiction cycle.

True, if it wasn't for pre-order monies funding badly organized startups, the BTC difficulty would be a tiny fraction of what it is today.

[nexus99]

You know... we could all make the same BTC we are now if we all agreed to not participate in the arms race. I guess the smart folks will just skip all the upgrade cycles and pick back up in a couple of years.

[TechByPC]

You know... we could all make the same BTC we are now if we all agreed to not participate in the arms race. I guess the smart folks will just skip all the upgrade cycles and pick back up in a couple of years.

If you managed to get every single miner in a room together they would probably all agree to this. Then on their way out they would furiously be trying to order and pre-order everything they could on their smartphone. HA! An opportunity to finally increase my position!

People are just too naturally greedy for that to work. But I do like it. You go first.

[Mitron]

I've been following this thread simply because everything to this point seems a bit too good to be true but I do have high hopes (as I did with the Bi*Fury, Twin Fury and AntMiner).  As the prices continue to increase and delivery dates continue to move further and further away, it seems less likely these things will hit any of the hype.  If the past gives us any clue, as we approach the end of February, I suspect we will start seeing the delays and excuses roll out from Black Arrow instead of completed miners as they build their mining farms with their new Minions paid for by all the Lemmings here.  Of course I hope I'm wrong and these actually get into the hand of those who paid for them, the next few weeks will tell us for sure.

I have my seatbelt on.

Man, I'm glad I had my seatbelt on!  Looks like they came out early with the delay, but still a delay or 2 to 3 months.   I was close to buying one of the X1's until the price went up and Batch 2 date was updated, I am so glad I didn't now.  I've never been a fan of pre-order anything and this is one of the reasons.

So sorry to hear it for those of you who did pre-order.  The community really should pull together and demand more from these guys, so sad it'll never happen.  Guess it's back to AntMiner and ASICMiner for now or kick back and play with scrypt while we wait for the other BitCoin Miner folks to come out with something worth buying.. :/

[jimmothy]

If you can't handle a few months of delays, you shouldn't play the game. Or you could buy an asicminer gen3 device in march but I would expect to pay a premium.

[Stedsm]

 has anyone that placed an order on the OLD Minersource site have there order moved to the new data base and had an account opened for them and received an email confirmation?

The link that was at the bottom of the new site is gone so i can't check my order on the old data base and I've never received a notice of a new account being opened either

[Unacceptable]

has anyone that placed an order on the OLD Minersource site have there order moved to the new data base and had an account opened for them and received an email confirmation?

The link that was at the bottom of the new site is gone so i can't check my order on the old data base and I've never received a notice of a new account being opened either

All my orders show on the new site,course I made all my orders in Dec 

[Vexatious]

has anyone that placed an order on the OLD Minersource site have there order moved to the new data base and had an account opened for them and received an email confirmation?

The link that was at the bottom of the new site is gone so i can't check my order on the old data base and I've never received a notice of a new account being opened either

Same here...

[Stinky_Pete]

BA has hardware on the shelf.  Set up a mine and get that hashing power out to your customers immediately.  BA has the means to offset much of this, but I wonder if it has the integrity, or if it has more interest in guarding it's profits.

If you have that hardware, then use it.

[BtcBling]

Great, BA have kept it promise to increase price... X-3 from $4500 > $6000 but not able to keep delivery date. That's the way to go! At least they informed about delay... 

[Stedsm]

BA has hardware on the shelf.  Set up a mine and get that hashing power out to your customers immediately.  BA has the means to offset much of this, but I wonder if it has the integrity, or if it has more interest in guarding it's profits.

If you have that hardware, then use it.

I was able to get back to the old data base from a link in an old email and my order still shows the same as it always did, "waiting for shipment" the thing that  I'm curious about is B.A didn't seem to include that order with the one I have with them in there 25% calculation in the email they sent me.

[TinkerTom]

I'm also a Minersource customer and still no word from them. I had two orders, one on the old system and one on the new -- nothing from either one.

I'm really disappointed in bobsag3 right now. No word either directly to his customers or on here is really unacceptable. He was a large part of the credibility that BA had and if he doesn't get out in front of this now, his is going to go down with theirs. It really kind of pisses me off I had to learn of this on reddit and then come here and catch up on 5 pages.

Just to add my .02, yeah, the 25% is an insult, and shipping batch 2 along with batch 1 compounds the problem. Here's an idea -- keep those batch 2 machines (sorry batch 2 people) and give batch 1 users a 100% hash increase in the cloud. I personally don't want more miners as I've already had my electric upgraded planning on the machines I ordered. (Yeah, not only out the $ for the miners, but 2 racks, network upgrade, bitcoind/P2pool server and $550 electrical work.)

I've always held the belief that BTC will be a long play, hope that's the case. Best we can hope for is a significant price increase.

[drewage]

Guys, I've been talking with Blackarrow over PM on ecointalk and while I got some detailed answers to some of my questions, they said that they will publicly respond to questions tomorrow. (I can't post my PMs with him cuz he asked me not to disclose it since what he said to me wasn't conferred with the team, thus can't be deemed official).

Can we get someone to collate any/all of the questions and answers for those of us that may not have time or access tomorrow when this is going down?

[Bogart]

I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

[MANofthePEOPLE]

What are your calculations for how much it'll make starting 10th may? 2-3 coins?

[Syke]

I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

That would be acceptable. In fact, MegaBigPower did that when they had a delay on a batch.

[LennonNZ]

For the Price in BTC I paid in October for an X1 , I can get a refund and buy 5-6 of them now. Better than a Bank.

[Stedsm]

I think our compensation should be "cloud hash" equal to 100% of our ordered hashpower, to begin when our miners were originally scheduled to ship, and ending when the miners actually ship.

or at the very least give us our 25% NOW  while we can make some use of it

[bobsag3]

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

I am certainly not black arrow matt. I was in BTC Miami this weekend, tons of people can verify that.
A large number of the people on this form know me personally, and my ties to black arrow. Ive never attempted to hide anything.

[erk]

Can someone tell me whats going on in here ?

Lots of people who ordered from BA got emails to say batch one isn't shipping until May and they haven't done tapeout yet. Hence a kind of panic.