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You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

[donk4u]

You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

So if I play a lot of sessions during a day  like yesterday as an example open 3 tables each session and 4 people insta sit each session with different names across the different  sessions that's inconclusive bumhunting? Easy to tell new accounts not only by name but also by categorization of levels floundering being 500 points to achieve most of the new names I never saw didn't even have the floundering designation.

[tonino]

You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

So if I play a lot of sessions during a day  like yesterday as an example open 3 tables each session and 4 people insta sit each session with different names across the different  sessions that's inconclusive bumhunting? Easy to tell new accounts not only by name but also by categorization of levels floundering being 500 points to achieve most of the new names I never saw didn't even have the floundering designation.

reading all this interesting stuff I have to ask how you can be 100% sure that those new 4 nicks
are new registered nicks? is there a way to see the time of registration? sorry if this was already answered. any answer is very much appreciated

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[skivrmt]

You guys need to post HHs when you are accusing people of collusion.  Bumhunting =/= collusion.  I'm not saying that it's not happening, I'm just saying that your proof is inconclusive.

I don't really care enough to collect evidence, which would involve playing against cheaters.  My preference is just not to play against cheaters, so I won't.  If you want to, go right ahead.

I don't think you need to play to collect hand histories. Using the windows client with hand histories logged, you can watch a table and it will collect the hand histories from any table you watch without being seated.

So if I play a lot of sessions during a day  like yesterday as an example open 3 tables each session and 4 people insta sit each session with different names across the different  sessions that's inconclusive bumhunting? Easy to tell new accounts not only by name but also by categorization of levels floundering being 500 points to achieve most of the new names I never saw didn't even have the floundering designation.

reading all this interesting stuff I have to ask how you can be 100% sure that those new 4 nicks
are new registered nicks? is there a way to see the time of registration? sorry if this was already answered. any answer is very much appreciated

You can specifically tell if they are new, but if they have a "title", Sly Seal, Tricky Seal etc, thay have less than 500 krill which he is associating as a new account.  He is most likely correct, they are new accounts.  Could someone be an older account, play only 10NL and have under 500 krill, of course.

[darkmule]

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

[donk4u]

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[nioc]

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

I agree with darkmule.  Even somebody as dimwitted as myself can see the problem.  I try to stay away from PLO but I did play with donk4u on the day he is talking about.  I had the same wtf reaction and left the tables after a short time.

MICON, players don't need to give you more info on suspected play.  You have all the info you need.  Just watch the PLO tables at all times.  There are not that many of them.

[DontCallMeShirley]

So its not cheating, you are just concerned that the tables arefilling?! Has this caused you to lose chips or just your sanity?

Also when will the "new client" be released?

[FUR11]

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

I agree with darkmule.  Even somebody as dimwitted as myself can see the problem.  I try to stay away from PLO but I did play with donk4u on the day he is talking about.  I had the same wtf reaction and left the tables after a short time.

MICON, players don't need to give you more info on suspected play.  You have all the info you need.  Just watch the PLO tables at all times.  There are not that many of them.

What I'm saying is, players who change their names to bumhunt efficiently and players playing together to cheat people are two different things.  People sitting players that they haven't seen before happens everywhere, and people not wanting to be the first player on a table happens everywhere.

[donk4u]

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

I agree with darkmule.  Even somebody as dimwitted as myself can see the problem.  I try to stay away from PLO but I did play with donk4u on the day he is talking about.  I had the same wtf reaction and left the tables after a short time.

MICON, players don't need to give you more info on suspected play.  You have all the info you need.  Just watch the PLO tables at all times.  There are not that many of them.

What I'm saying is, players who change their names to bumhunt efficiently and players playing together to cheat people are two different things.  People sitting players that they haven't seen before happens everywhere, and people not wanting to be the first player on a table happens everywhere.

before you were saying I couldn't prove bumhunting now they are doing it efficiently lmao. You also said it was crazy for people to do that at micro stakes , now your tipping your hat to the 4 people who are bumhunting insta  sitting together with new names each session in a day ,but whatever.

[FUR11]

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

I agree with darkmule.  Even somebody as dimwitted as myself can see the problem.  I try to stay away from PLO but I did play with donk4u on the day he is talking about.  I had the same wtf reaction and left the tables after a short time.

MICON, players don't need to give you more info on suspected play.  You have all the info you need.  Just watch the PLO tables at all times.  There are not that many of them.

What I'm saying is, players who change their names to bumhunt efficiently and players playing together to cheat people are two different things.  People sitting players that they haven't seen before happens everywhere, and people not wanting to be the first player on a table happens everywhere.

before you were saying I couldn't prove bumhunting now they are doing it efficiently lmao. You also said it was crazy for people to do that at micro stakes , now your tipping your hat to the 4 people who are bumhunting insta  sitting together ,but whatever.

It's still crazy for people to go to such lengths to bumhunt micros.  It's also crazy for people to go to such lengths to collude in micros.

My main point is that it's irresponsible to say "THERE'S CHEATING GOING ON HERE!" with zero proof.  You hurt the site's credibility, your credibility, and the credibility of people who are actually trying to expose cheating.

[donk4u]

My point is that without showing evidence, you can't claim that there are cheaters.

Yes I can, and I just did.  Go ahead and play there yourself if you want to.  I honestly don't give two shits.  I think anyone else watching the same action would conclude the same thing, but knock yourself out.

And by "there" I specifically mean 6 seat or short-handed PLO, not anything else at Seals, that is about as up and up as the action on other sites.

I agree with darkmule.  Even somebody as dimwitted as myself can see the problem.  I try to stay away from PLO but I did play with donk4u on the day he is talking about.  I had the same wtf reaction and left the tables after a short time.

MICON, players don't need to give you more info on suspected play.  You have all the info you need.  Just watch the PLO tables at all times.  There are not that many of them.

What I'm saying is, players who change their names to bumhunt efficiently and players playing together to cheat people are two different things.  People sitting players that they haven't seen before happens everywhere, and people not wanting to be the first player on a table happens everywhere.

before you were saying I couldn't prove bumhunting now they are doing it efficiently lmao. You also said it was crazy for people to do that at micro stakes , now your tipping your hat to the 4 people who are bumhunting insta  sitting together ,but whatever.

It's still crazy for people to go to such lengths to bumhunt micros.  It's also crazy for people to go to such lengths to collude in micros.

My main point is that it's irresponsible to say "THERE'S CHEATING GOING ON HERE!" with zero proof.  You hurt the site's credibility, your credibility, and the credibility of people who are actually trying to expose cheating.

I never said there was cheating going on ~~~~ You think it helps the sites credibility when a player opens 3 tables during multiple sessions and has constant slew of brand new names insta stitting all those games?

[darkmule]

before you were saying I couldn't prove bumhunting now they are doing it efficiently lmao. You also said it was crazy for people to do that at micro stakes , now your tipping your hat to the 4 people who are bumhunting insta  sitting together with new names each session in a day ,but whatever.

I'd just ignore these trolls.  They've clearly not seen the action in question, are too dumb to understand it if they did, or are just trolling.

[donk4u]

before you were saying I couldn't prove bumhunting now they are doing it efficiently lmao. You also said it was crazy for people to do that at micro stakes , now your tipping your hat to the 4 people who are bumhunting insta  sitting together with new names each session in a day ,but whatever.

I'd just ignore these trolls.  They've clearly not seen the action in question, are too dumb to understand it if they did, or are just trolling.

True just wanted to correct him that I never said anything about cheating just don't agree with the new names every session  insta sitting when I open up new tables and he keeps spinning it into whatever way he sees fit along with putting words in my mouth. He is now  indeed  on ignore . Its not that I can't take a different opinion, just don't appreciate him spinning what I said even though I reiterated that I wasn't complaining about cheating.


On a side note , I reported to support suspicious play a few times but saw the same players later on and in 1 year of play never got any money back due to collusion plus the fact that support won't tell you if they find someone cheating so imo what is the point of reporting it?  

[brian123321]

O.M.F.G.

Please tell me FURR is none other than brian "the mother fucking icon" micon

[FUR11]

Shrug, I guess people are just going to see what they want to see and no amount of reasoned discussion will convince them otherwise.  All I'm asking for is some small amount of proof before you go accusing everyone who sits you of cheating. 

[donk4u]

Shrug, I guess people are just going to see what they want to see and no amount of reasoned discussion will convince them otherwise.  All I'm asking for is some small amount of proof before you go accusing everyone who sits you of cheating.  

People according to your are bumhunting efficiently when they join micro stakes  4 new names at a time with different names across different sessions. Ok on ignore for real this time.

[FUR11]

Shrug, I guess people are just going to see what they want to see and no amount of reasoned discussion will convince them otherwise.  All I'm asking for is some small amount of proof before you go accusing everyone who sits you of cheating.  

People according to your are bumhunting efficiently when they join micro stakes  4 new names at a time with different names across different sessions. Ok on ignore for real this time.

Without any evidence of anything else, how can you draw any other conclusions?

[donk4u]

Shrug, I guess people are just going to see what they want to see and no amount of reasoned discussion will convince them otherwise.  All I'm asking for is some small amount of proof before you go accusing everyone who sits you of cheating.  

People according to your are bumhunting efficiently when they join micro stakes  4 new names at a time with different names across different sessions. Ok on ignore for real this time.

Without any evidence of anything else, how can you draw any other conclusions?

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