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[darkmule]

Nobody legit, and in their right mind would trust these scumbags after this.

After being DDoSed?  Like practically every other Bitcoin site at some point?  Are you fucking retarded?  How does being the victim of a DDoS say anything at all about their trustworthiness?

As for other criticisms, such as the shitware they're running, those points are valid.  But there's no level of "security" that is going to get around a high volume DDoS, and if you think otherwise, you're a fucking idiot.  Bank service sites have been taken down by DDoS for days at a time.  Do you think they're not paying top dollar for the best security they can get?  

[TTNP]

Dear bitches:  STFU!

I've done my own fair share of complaining, but do you have to spam the forum 24/7 with nonstop goddamn whining?

At least I can fit my gripes into one or two bullet points and then shut up.  I.e.

• ClownFlare.  Really?
• It'd be nice if you guys came up with a way to process BTC with the site offline and then batch the transactions when it came back up.

I'll also note that much bigger sites have been down much longer under DDoS.  League of Legends was rendered basically unplayable for weeks as a result of one of these a couple years ago.  And of course, Anonymous has taken down some of the larger websites out there, including national government websites all over the world.  If it were possibly simply to snap your fingers and magically end a DDoS, don't you think a government would be able to do it?

The major problem in DDoS mitigation isn't any one technical issue.  It's that the bad guys always get the first move.  If that doesn't work, then they get the second, third, fourth move until they come up with something that takes your site down.  So you're always in reaction mode.

Your missing the point.  Give people their money back while you are down if they want it.  Plain and simple.  You lose all credibility when you are anonymous and do not do that.  Your giving them to much credit.   This is a small site.  This was certainly not some HUGE DDOS attack,  not when the site is so small.  Odds are it was relatively small and their security was just that bad.  No excuse for it.   DDOS become larger and more sophisticated the larger your site becomes.  It is economics.  Do you understand those at all?   They are not going to waste a ton of resources to demand 50 bitcoins.  It was a small attack that they could not handle.  Very sad.  They gambled with your money.  I hope they blow yours at the blackjack table first.  The can just shut down and open up the next anonymous poker room with everybody's deposits now.  And you, the dumb fuck you are will bend over for the new site too.   The get the rake,  you all payed to build it.

[darkmule]

Last response before you go on ignore, you retarded newbie piece of shit.  First, improve the world a bit.  Get cancer and die.

Second, they could be down two weeks and only process cashouts then, and they'd still be faster at cashing out than half the fucking poker sites out there, which send you a goddamn check in a month if you're lucky, which bounces half the time and then you have to harass them for another.

Finally, I have yet to lose any money from a poker site, even the shady ones.  Sorry that's been your experience, but you're obviously a fucking loser at poker and at life, so that's been your run of luck.  Life must suck when you're an abject gibbering mongoloid piece of genetic garbage, as you obviously are.

Seals has had hurdles like this before, and has always, every single fucking time, more than made it up to the players when they came back up.  So seriously, go eat shit.  Seals has an excellent track record, and all you have are track marks, you degenerate.

Continue having a shit life.

[CobaltBlue]

I would also say that you are probably a loser who plays in the freerolls and has nothing or peanuts tied up right now.

lol

Just keep spewing that grossly misinformed/misguided tilt.

[TTNP]

I would also say that you are probably a loser who plays in the freerolls and has nothing or peanuts tied up right now.

lol

Just keep spewing that grossly misinformed/misguided tilt.

All these cheap fucks had to do was pay a fucking DDoS mitigation service company a few hundred bucks a month to prevent this attack and yet you continue to take Micon's shaft up your ass.  You really must be a shit coated, cock sucking fag.   If they can't spend a nominal amount of money preventing such a primitive attack, what makes you think they can pay a rush on BTC deposits?  Dummy.   I would bet they do not have the money to cover all of their player balances.  It's tougher to fake that with btc than USD.  Pyramid scheme caught up to them.

[TTNP]

Last response before you go on ignore, you retarded newbie piece of shit.  First, improve the world a bit.  Get cancer and die.

Second, they could be down two weeks and only process cashouts then, and they'd still be faster at cashing out than half the fucking poker sites out there, which send you a goddamn check in a month if you're lucky, which bounces half the time and then you have to harass them for another.

Finally, I have yet to lose any money from a poker site, even the shady ones.  Sorry that's been your experience, but you're obviously a fucking loser at poker and at life, so that's been your run of luck.  Life must suck when you're an abject gibbering mongoloid piece of genetic garbage, as you obviously are.

Seals has had hurdles like this before, and has always, every single fucking time, more than made it up to the players when they came back up.  So seriously, go eat shit.  Seals has an excellent track record, and all you have are track marks, you degenerate.

Continue having a shit life.

Your clearly tied to this site somehow you fucking scum.  Your a POS wannabe.  No doubt all I said was true.  You are a broke POS loser that CAN'T pay your player account balances.  Your site is finished,  I for one will post this on my several dozen bonus sites.  I will reach millions with this story.  Your site is going on my blacklist.  There are only 5 sites on that list including you now.  My readers know how serious that is as I reserve it for only the most seriously corrupt organizations.  Welcome to the blacklist of one of the top 5 largest bonus listing website groups dear sir.

AVOID AT ALL COSTS PEOPLE. USE YOUR BRAIN.  PLEASE SEE MY UPDATE TOMORROW.  YOU SHOULD BE GAMBLING ON POKER. NOT ON WHETHER YOU WILL BE COLLUDED AGAINST (WHICH HERE IS A SURE THING) AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE GAMBLING ON WHETHER A SITE WILL PAY YOU.  NOW WE HAVE THE OWNER SAYING IT IS OKAY FOR IT TO TAKE 2 WEEKS TO PAY PEOPLE WITH A HIGHLY VOLATILE E-"CURRENCY".  BRAINS PEOPLE, BRAINS. IF IT SOUNDS, SMELLS AND LOOKS LIKE A RAT IT IS.  MY SITES CALLED EVERLEAF GAMING A SCAM MONTHS BEFORE IT WAS PROVEN, WE BROKE THE STORY ON AP/UB AND THESE GUYS ARE IN THE SAME BOAT.  I ACTUALLY CONSIDER THEM WORSE SINCE AGAIN, THEY ARE ANONYMOUS.  

[donk4u]

It won't be.  This is obviously beyond their capabilities to handle.  I just want to make sure I am first in line to receive my funds as it will be an epic shit storm in a day or two's time and the reality that it's not coming back gains some momentum.  How can you believe that there is:

A.  An attack at all, let alone one they can't handle
B.  They are completely stumped on solutions
C.  2 days time is not ample to develop/hire help to provide solutions

It just doesn't make sense.  Yes, I don't quite understand the gravity of an attack like this, I don't know much about coding or networking.  But I do know that I am a customer of a service, and the service has been unavailable in excess of two days now.  As a consumer, I can choose to do business with who I choose, and complain when I feel taken advantage of.  I just want my money out of the site and I will be on my way.  That's it.

You'll get your money off the site.

How can I believe:

A.  I have seen it happen before.  At seals and elsewhere.  This is a DDoS attack.  It's obvious really.
B.  The solution to DoS is not always simple.  It might involve server migration or a new host.  SWC is most likely not running on a shared server.  So they are responsible for all security.  That involves databases, hashed passwords, private keys and so on.
C.  Since SWC is (most likely) and X man shop (where x=<5) there is just no way they can go fixing this willy nilly.  They have to discover/implement/test/repeat.

It takes time.

It almost always takes more time than you thought it would.


I personally understand you are concerned about your BTC.

May I ask how many chips you have on the site?

I believe he has 4 to 500 chips .  I feel for him but like you said don't keep more on the site then you can afford to lose obv. If 500 chips is that life altering probably shouldn't be playing at all imo.

[darkmule]

I believe he has 4 to 500 chips .  I feel for him but like you said don't keep more on the site then you can afford to lose obv. If 500 chips is that life altering probably shouldn't be playing at all imo.

My advice, which is no use right now of course, but will be when this happens again, and it will.  As the leading Bitcoin poker site, Seals is always going to be a lightning rod for attacks by shitheads.

Only keep on the site what you need for the levels you play.  Cashing in is real quick, and you only have to wait for two confirms.  So if you see a tournament you want to join in an hour, you can just cash in with the buyin and be pretty sure it'll be there when you need it.

Keeping your entire roll on the site is like keeping it on an online wallet.  Frankly, it's actually safer than most online wallets, which have repeatedly been shown to keep all their coin online in a hot wallet.  Seals has its house funds mostly in cold storage offline, much safer.  I'm not sure how much is in their hot wallet, and they probably shouldn't be very open about that, but funds are safer on Seals than on blockchain.  IMO.

But there's always the possibility you won't be able to access it for possibly lengthy periods of time.

So you should always have the bulk of your roll offline, in a wallet entirely under your own control.

I personally only keep online something like three times the max buyin I'll play.  The rest is offline.  (That's currently just .15BTC, what I have on Seals right now, 100 chips on Seals itself and 50 on the bet bot.)

Do this and you'll never be panicking at some bullshit outage.  (As for clients, I recommend Multibit but YMMV.  I can't see the point in most users having the reference client and a complete copy of the now absurdly-bloated blockchain.)

[inuge285]

Wow.   This is getting out of hand on so many levels.  Yes, I have a bit more than 500 chips on there, but that's not the point.  I asked politely if they would withdrawal my funds, they said they would, and now we're here 24 hours later still down.  Like I said, I don't care what the situation is, that's not my problem.  Please just allow me access to my money and I will be on my way.

[fuckingidiots]

This is total bullshit, when are you retards going to fix this?

This is clearly a primer for the site shutdown and scam withdrawal. The site has been Ddos'ed before and they have recovered. They are using that so you will believe they will recover once again. Micon, their frontman broadcasting from that shitty room will pretend he had nothing to do with it when they have stolen your coins. He is appearing to look clueless and poor so we don't accuse him of the upcoming scam.

Has anyone checked their bitcoin addresses? Funds have been moved out of my address.

Pay the Ddosers debts and reply to their emails. Seals this is your problem, why should your customers have to suffer for it? Absolutely useless morons.

All of your public figures are going to have to go into hiding if you decide to rip us off.

[inuge285]

Mine too.  I've had two withdrawals from my address since the beginning of the shutdown.  Odd.

[donk4u]

This is total bullshit, when are you retards going to fix this?

This is clearly a primer for the site shutdown and scam withdrawal. The site has been Ddos'ed before and they have recovered. They are using that so you will believe they will recover once again. Micon, their frontman broadcasting in that shitty room will pretend he had nothing to do with it when they have stolen our coins. He is appearing to look clueless and poor so we don't accuse him of the upcoming scam.

Has anyone checked their bitcoin addresses? Funds have been moved out of my address.

Bitcoin withdrawls are super fast. There are stumbling blocks that go along with these fast witdrawls and this is one of them. So you have to wait a few days to get your money. Bovada which is lightning fast takes a week. Imagine you were playing on lock .

People had the same conspierecy theories as the above newbie and funds were always there. Track record on seals with regard to people getting money like when tourneys go down or even disconnects is pretty solid. Why not give the site the benefit of the doubt based on their track record. Micon said 48 hours for manual transferes if site not back up we are not at 48 hours.  In other words chill.

[skivrmt]

Wow.   This is getting out of hand on so many levels.  Yes, I have a bit more than 500 chips on there, but that's not the point.  I asked politely if they would withdrawal my funds, they said they would, and now we're here 24 hours later still down.  Like I said, I don't care what the situation is, that's not my problem.  Please just allow me access to my money and I will be on my way.

Anyone still waiting for FTP withdrawals?  How about Cake withdrawals?  Juicy Poker withdrawals anyone?  

If you want a safe regulated site that you have nearly no worries about, stop playing on Seals.  Or don't start to begin with.  I hate to say it, but DUH.  If you're in the US, move to Nevada or NJ where its legal and they have regulated online poker, albeit a tiny player base.  Outside of US, Stars is probably the best bet but again, have you met the owners before?  Seen them?

This happens.  Online poker is the wild west.  Ever seen the terrible movie Runner Runner?  Maybe Micon is transferring all the funds to Justin Timberlake as we speak.  Although I doubt it.  

Is he professional?  No.  Do I care?  No.  Would you feel better if he were in a $5k suit in a corporate boardroom doing this video updates?  I'd actually be more concerned.  Although that -would- be a really funny sight to see.  At least we know who he is.  A lot of the players know him from the poker circuit.  He, and his partners, are not stealing the money.  Could they have done a better job with a lot of things, of course.  The desktop client is very 2005-ish, tourney "lobbys" etc.  But you know what, you can deposit money within 20 min and withdraw usually within 5-8 hours.  Beat that in the US on any site.

[fuckingidiots]

My address and a friends have both been cleared out. The transfers happened on the 22nd. Explain this seals. Why are you stalling? Buying time to launder our funds?

If you can move our funds to your mega accounts the day after the attack why can't you process withdrawals so we can get off your god awful crappy site.

[inuge285]

I don't have sympathy nor patience for anything or anyone at this point in time.  I want my btc, immediately, and I will go on my merry way.  It's not an outlandish request.  I emailed support yesterday, and they said they would oblige if the site was not back up "soon".  That was exactly 21 hours ago.  That is longer than my definition of soon.  When this started going down on Tuesday, my "absolutely need this money by this day" was today.  So no, I will not calm down.  I need this btc and I don't care who tells me how fucking stupid I am or how broke I am or anything else.  It is besides the point.  They can fix their system and take as much time as they want.  Just don't hold my funds hostage.

[donk4u]

I don't have sympathy nor patience for anything or anyone at this point in time.  I want my btc, immediately, and I will go on my merry way.  It's not an outlandish request.  I emailed support yesterday, and they said they would oblige if the site was not back up "soon".  That was exactly 21 hours ago.  That is longer than my definition of soon.  When this started going down on Tuesday, my "absolutely need this money by this day" was today.  So no, I will not calm down.  I need this btc and I don't care who tells me how fucking stupid I am or how broke I am or anything else.  It is besides the point.  They can fix their system and take as much time as they want.  Just don't hold my funds hostage.

Micon said 48 hours if site not back up for manual cashouts ,  you will feel foolish when you are back playing when site goes up as I am certain you will after this. So don't calm down and run around like a chicken without your head,  im putting you on ignore as tired of your whining and refusal to listen to reason.

[skivrmt]

The addresses of me and a friend have both been cleared out. The transfers happened on the 22nd. Explain this seals. Why are you stalling? Buying time to launder our funds?

If you can move our funds to your mega accounts the day after the attack why can't you process withdrawals so we can get off your god awful crappy site.

What are "your" addresses?  You think everyone has separate addresses or fund accounts on ANY poker site?  Funds are almost always co-mingled.  Same on exchanges.  This is a common occurrence.  

[fuckingidiots]

This is total bullshit, when are you retards going to fix this?

This is clearly a primer for the site shutdown and scam withdrawal. The site has been Ddos'ed before and they have recovered. They are using that so you will believe they will recover once again. Micon, their frontman broadcasting in that shitty room will pretend he had nothing to do with it when they have stolen our coins. He is appearing to look clueless and poor so we don't accuse him of the upcoming scam.

Has anyone checked their bitcoin addresses? Funds have been moved out of my address.

Bitcoin withdrawls are super fast. There are stumbling blocks that go along with these fast witdrawls and this is one of them. So you have to wait a few days to get your money. Bovada which is lightning fast takes a week. Imagine you were playing on lock .

People had the same conspierecy theories as the above newbie and funds were always there. Track record on seals with regard to people getting money like when tourneys go down or even disconnects is pretty solid. Why not give the site the benefit of the doubt based on their track record. Micon said 48 hours for manual transferes if site not back up we are not at 48 hours.  In other words chill.

Well I hope you are right. Blind trust is never good though. Bitcoin value has only dropped $100 since this bull began. Thanks Seals.

Does anyone know how much this kind of ddos attack would cost if you didn't own the botnet yourself?

[inuge285]

Micon was on here yesterday saying site would be up in 8 hours.  It has been roughly 18 hours since that statement.  Why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt?  Like I said, it would be very easy and allow them all the breathing room they need if they would just refund people who are concerned, and allow them to get out of their hair.

[donk4u]

Micon was on here yesterday saying site would be up in 8 hours.  It has been roughly 18 hours since that statement.  Why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt?  Like I said, it would be very easy and allow them all the breathing room they need if they would just refund people who are concerned, and allow them to get out of their hair.

Just unreal. Maybe they want to make sure everything is in order security wise so they don't cashout the wrong person? I don't understand ddos and all the Intracacies  involved in getting the site back up. I am giving seals the benefit of the doubt because of their past history of making things right and having players funds safe. I have more then you on the site and I am not panicking. If you were a newbie I could understand almost but you have been on the site longer then me. Playing online with these types of hiccups is the price of doing business or playing poker for usa players imo and I will put up with the hiccups and play on a site that has proven credibility  every day of the week.